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I have to ask as Google will be speaking in Florida soon yet I wanted to know peoples opinions on this for reasons as to better understand what these forums are all about (in how they relate to people talking here with the search engine employees (ie:GG) here.
Thanks
Serious answers only please
Hollywood
I have others that are hobby/fun sites that I don't care if they get visitors or not - sure the emails are interesting, and it's fun to talk with like minded people - but they do take up time, and if the site doesn't get hits - then I've got more time. Think I check the stats once a quarter as they do have some amazon links - but pretty much just want to make enough to pay for the hosting.
There are some people around here that just want to make fun/good sites and really don't care about the total number of visitors. They figure if they put up good content - people will find them or link to them and they don't worry about actual rankings and SEO stuff. They are probably the minority - but they do exist.
If you have hobby site and don't care (very few IMO), you really don't visit the Google News or the Yahoo threads. If you have a few ads, or a a money making site then it's different. If you make a living from your site then you live here :)
The SE's need to provide quality results for their searchers. By participating in this community we are helping create the sites that will deliver those quality results.
If you spend enough time here you will see a consitant theme: The best way to have a website appear high in the search results is to actually make a site that is extremely useful.
I find it quite humorous when people feel like they are doing something sneaky or tricky by optimizing a site for SEs. The truth is the SE algos have taught us all to make sites that are structured properly and developed with focus, which is a huge benefit to searchers
Things like Link Farms and stuffing alt tags with keywords only work for a season. As Brett and others have consistantly said, steer clear of spam fads because they will harm you in the long run.
If you think you've gotten away with something by creating a site that has an abundance of properly structured content, based on a keyword theme, and is loaded with quality backlinks, then it is you that is fooled. You've actually just created a site that is probably useful to the person searching for your targeted keywords.
Google's algo is the ultimate reverse psychology for marketers. It promises to push your page in front of opt-in clients so long as it is actually useful to them. The SE algos will continue to evolve and progress. Without knowing the future, I can tell you that all of the new changes will continue to ban spamming techniques as well as refine their ability to determine relevancy.
SEs want us to make sites that will satisfy the searcher. They want us to advertise our sites to them as well. And anyone who participates in "tricking" people into coming to their site by exploiting a technological loophole is only tricking themselves. If you appear #1 in the results due to trickery and your content isn't useful to the searcher, they will leave. So then what have you accomplished?
To me this site is about learning how to properly structure your sites so they may be found and useful to people requesting. How can this be anything but the destiny of research and commerce?
I have found myself creating sites that are far more user friendly and useful bay adhering to SEO principles. I think that would make the GoogleGuy pretty happy.
BTW Hollywood, I'm pretty sure this post is a restatement of what Brett was saying with his "Get a Clue" post.
You know why? They can't.
Its against the TOS to do self promotion - in any kind of way - if you do it, mods delete it. If you continue (not once or twice, but always) - you're gone.
Its that simple.
The person who said "Everyone is here for $..." is obviously very new to this stuff. Only popular people (GoogleGuy, Tim) are aloud to promote, but they don't promote, they help. Nobody promote's here, as I said, they can't.
Each and every member at WebmasterWorld are here for helping, discussing and(or) getting help. Thats about it. They cannot go any further.
Sid
I see it this way; they are here because they can pick the brains of hundreds and hundreds of webmasters/SEO types about anything to do with search results? In return, they toss us a few bones now and then.
They are all trying to produce the best possible search engine algorithm on the net ... right? Right! If you were in their position, wouldn't you want to stay abreast of what the webmaster/SEO community has to say about this engine or that engine, this algo or that ppc programme? I certainly would!
Webmasters, SEO pros and search engine employees enjoy a symbiotic relationship. One cannot exist without the other. Some may say that webmasters and search engine employees could exist without SEO pros ... but what would be the fun in that? Who would be left to poke holes in their algos and show them the error of their ways? ;)
All sides benifit from their participation here:
Everybody wins! :)
Who here isn't trying to rank high for marketing? Who?
Greetings,
Herenvardö