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1:49 pm on Sep 17, 2010 (gmt 0)

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Notebook Growth Declining Sharply [tech.fortune.cnn.com]
•NPD data showing that after six months of decelerating growth, U.S. retail notebook unit growth fell 4% year over year in August, marking the first time those numbers had actually gone negative.
•Similar data for the first week of September showing that units fell 4% year over year again.
•BestBuy CEO Brian Dunn's widely repeated remarks in the Wall Street Journal that "internal estimates showed that the iPad had cannibalized sales from laptop PCs by as much as 50 percent."
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I find the last link amazing. A product from one company (Apple) has replaced half the sales of products (laptops) from many companies.

Where was it that I read that people don't have a need for a product like an iPad?

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Two words: Smart phones
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I suspect the volumes of notebooks they are referring to include netbooks. I would have thought that the tablet-based computer (iPad) would be replacing the netbooks.
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Where was it that I read that people don't have a need for a product like an iPad?

Ahem. Probably in one of my posts. But I've never been a good indicator.

We like having access to the web/games while kicking around the living area. We had a netbook, and it did the job poorly. We bought an ipad, and it does the job well. Better games, better ui, better access to the web, easier to store.

All I need now is an ipad running mandriva.
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I bought a netbook last year. I rarely use it. I have an iPad too. I rarely use that (though my wife and kids use it all the time). I use my iPhone or I use my computer with a 22 inch monitor in my office.

Even when I travel, I find myself just using my iPhone for 99% of what I need to do. Plus it is easy to carry with me.

I thought I would love having a netbook, but I just for some reason prefer my tiny iPhone screen.
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80% of my day is spent behind 3 19 inch LCDs with a FULL SIZE ergo keyboard and mouse.

my netbook tags along when im unwinding and just need to check numbers or when I leave the house and I might need to process something.
between that I see no need for an ipad or even a smartphone.
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Heck, we just bought 2 netbooks this year because those pads don't hold themselves up.

Ever try watching a movie or read a book and holding it up the entire time?

Not to mention a real keyboard is very nice opposed to tap tapping on the screen, but these days I think I can Swype faster than type but nobody seems to offer Swype on a tablet for whatever reason.

However, I plan to get at least one tablet later this year, just not anything from iCult.

I see no need for an ipad or even a smartphone.


You must not travel.

Handheld GPS navigation makes travel so easy it's silly.

Running out of gas? Add the gas station layer and plot a side trip.

Hungry? Add a restaurant layer and plot a side trip.

Need a grocery store? You get the idea...

Been on the ground in Ohio over a week now and getting around like a native thanks to Google Navigation was worth the admission price to a smartphone.
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You must not travel.

Handheld GPS navigation makes travel so easy it's silly.

Running out of gas? Add the gas station layer and plot a side trip.

Hungry? Add a restaurant layer and plot a side trip.

Need a grocery store? You get the idea...


I have a stand alone GPS.

I don't know but I did plenty of traveling in days before cell phones were even wide spread and some how I survived and found gas, food, hotels and even discovered ways around car accidents.

I can read exits signs that have the gas logo on it just fine thank you haahhaah

I even flew to LA and managed to get back and forth from my hotel to santa monica on the BUS using such things called a "map" and "talking to people"

call me a cave man I know I know! But im not even that old.

some people depend on these electronic nannies so much if you took it away from them they couldn't find their car in a parking lot or the way back to their own house.
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Samsung had their "big announcement" about their Galaxy Tablet yesterday. This is the best write-up I could find this morning.
[news.cnet.com...]
No real news from what has been leaked over the past week or so. They are going to have a wifi-only model. I guess the big news is that it is coming out sooner than later.

Said to weigh "about the same a soda can." Like a paperback book in size. Cool But, I do not see myself sending emails on it, much less creating a document.

Someone said 50 companies are working on devices for this market. You'll be getting them with three cereal box tops and seven dollars for S&H this time next year.
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Ever try watching a movie or read a book and holding it up the entire time?


Most cases available for the iPad resolve that quite well.
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Cases? Stands? you mean more just to buy? more junk to drag around? more junk to find places to store?

Netbooks have everything they need in one handy device, no add-on crap required.

However, tablets are way sexier, just not as practical.

Where I see multi-touch tablets being a huge play, if the game companies are smart, is by replacing traditional multi-player games with the tablet.

We even play checkers and chess on my Android phone :)
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@ incrediBILL -
Been on the ground in Ohio over a week now

A trip to Ohio can be very, well, trippy. Have you been out to the countryside and seen the firelflies at dusk?

Or, let me rephrase that - Do they still have fireflies in Ohio?
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No need.

I have a fireflies app for my smartphone.

Seriously, I grew up in KS farmland and have caught tons of fireflies.

Today I'd probably pull their luminescent tails off and stick them around a Kindle so you can read it at night!
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Does anyone here really believe this "research?" I'm not buying it. Oh, but maybe Morgan Stanley wants investor to buy Apple stock.

Nooo. Couldn't be.
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Had a tablet, never get one. Holding a laptop is much better since you can put its weight on your lap or table and adjust the screen. How can you read on your ipad?

And forget about doing any real computer work, I'm talking about reading news stories while on the couch
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They make good food trays.
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I'd have to believe that those who can't see a use for an iPad / tablet simply haven't tried one.

It's best to use the tool designed specifically for the task. I routinely switch from my Mac to my iPad to my iPhone throughout the day, depending on what's most convenient. Many days I can run my entire web business solely from my iPad.

I spent the Summer traveling with my family, and most of the time all I needed was my iPad, though I had my iPhone and Mac with me. We drove 5,000 miles with a 10 year old who never once asked "are we there yet?" because he was happily entertained with the iPad or iPhone. Can't imagine a netbook doing that.

I'm not a fanboy, but this line of products works for me. I think an Android tablet would be even more useful than an iPad, and I plan on trading my iPad for an Android tablet as soon as one is available.
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I'd have to believe that those who can't see a use for an iPad / tablet simply haven't tried one.


I know the point I'm trying to make is that I'm doubtful that the iPad has single-handily crushed all other notebook sales.

I tried the iPad for about a day, and know several people that own one. These guys are Apple Fanboys and they don't like the iPad. It's too big and heavy. I was going to buy one until I used it. When Jobs started talking about the iPhone problem, that sealed the deal - no Apples in my home.

Personally, I cannot wait until these manufacturers deliver a product I'm looking for - which will be about half the size and weight of the iPad. I've seen several talked about in the news, just not for sale yet. When they are, I'm buying one. (But I'm still putting a SSD in my laptop too.)
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@BillyS The new Samsung tablet is for you then. Half the size.
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I even flew to LA and managed to get back and forth from my hotel to santa monica on the BUS using such things called a "map" and "talking to people"


You can't add ads to this kind of communication - that's why it will become illegal soon ;-)
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I realized it was all over for laptops when I went camping this summer. Some people who were with us had brought a laptop with them and it seemed ridiculous. I had my iphone in my pocket and with it I answered emails, paid bills, got info as I needed it, I even bought a few things online and they were waiting for me when I got home. The thing is I did all this while camping in a tent, and each time I finished doing something the iphone went back into my pocket. No bags, no cables, just a simple tool. Oh, and I also made a few phone calls too.
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call me crazy but im a fan of big screens.


Of course all the wireless carriers are LOVING this because its more people paying them 50+ every month!

when I buy my computer, its done.
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@BillyS The new Samsung tablet is for you then. Half the size.

@gpilling - That's one of several I'm keeping my eye on.
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Cases? Stands? you mean more just to buy? more junk to drag around? more junk to find places to store?


The folks I know who have netbooks all have protective cases for the netbook itself, plus a bag to carry the power cable, a small USB mouse, and sometimes other peripherals.

That may not be your situation, but I'm talking about general usage not specific users.