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Looking To Hire My First Employee

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8:49 am on Sep 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Hey All,

It is time to expand and I am looking to hire my first web developer. I am looking for some general advice about hiring someone for the first time. I won't need any tax/paye information as I have an accountant that will take care of that.

How was your experience of hiring someone for the first time? What would you do differently now that you have been there done that?

All advice, stories and past experiences are welcome!

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Take a looke here:

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If you have any kind of doubt about how it would be or what he must do, my best advice: don't do it.

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Thanks for the links Lexur, There are some good points in the above threads some of them I liked are:

1) Have a document made up of all responsibilities.
2) Make a to do list of all jobs that need done & daily tasks.
3) Have a practical interview with a few small tasks that would help find the brighter ones.
4) "Always take up references." - Essex_boy
5) "Your first and second employee, will take a deep cut into your profits." - minnapple. So on that note find a way to measure the success of the employee.
6) "There are two types of people that you don't want to hire, a friend or a relative." BananaFish

Any more?

So most of the above points are based around management and finding the right person. What other information would I need? (links to UK gov websites?) for example sick days, being late, holiday pay, employee handbook(?), contract... all these types things? I am going to set up a meeting for Business Gateway as they might be able to offer me some advice too.

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Have you thought about going to a staffing agency and hiring a web developer from them? This is a little more per hour, but they take care of the taxes, medical, unemployment, worker's comp and the myriad of other laws, regulations and taxes that you would normally accrue with a direct hire. Plus they would be considered temporary so if you see that they are either not working out or that your business isn't really supporting the both of you getting rid of them is a simple phone call. You won't have to take care of unemployment etc.

Now if it is a super positive experience and this person really does start pulling your business way up and you like their work and attitude you can always hire them on a permanent basis from the staffing company. While it is a little more money to go this route it also has a lot less risk of you hiring directly the first time.

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Make decisions on staff very quickly. Work out if they are what you need in the first few months. Don’t prolong this process. It will be painful and expensive if you do. And the biggest cost won’t be the salary it will be the lost revenue in not getting the job done. If they’re not working out then move on and move on quickly.

Found this great advice on a small business blog [smartcompany.com.au], and thought I'd pass it on.
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I agree with Fortune Hunter. Temp./staffing agencies are probably your best bet. They offer you the chance to experiment a bit with your personell with no long-term commitments, financial or otherwise. I would add, to the excellent list of incentives Fortune Hunter has provided, that you get the benefit of preliminary screening. A reputable temp./staffing agency will not only conduct interviews with any candidate, they will also test some basic skills to ensure the person is a viable option. So, you can walk in with a list of required skills and a job description, provide a projected start date, and they should give you a few choices to work with... Ahh the beauty of outsourcing your human resources department!
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Thanks HugeNerd & Fortune Hunter for the idea of going to a staffing agency it does sound like something I will look into.

Thanks for the quote callivert I will keep that in mind.

So far I have contacted job center plus (the government job people) as they can post around the job for free. i have also posted the job to several free job websites/boards. I wish to get together many CVs, rate them and then get several in for an interview.

I will let you all know how I get on and what I do.

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"Always take up references." - Essex_boy - was just about to repeat that comment.

Glad someones listening.

Once hired a guy suspected of murder, a quick reference check MAy have shown that up. (he was a poisoner, so no one let him near their drinks/food)

"There are two types of people that you don't want to hire, a friend or a relative." BananaFish - Agree with that, one firm I part owned had a friend on, as a result I couldnt be a ruthless as I needed to be at times as I didnt want to fall out with him. Not a good idea.

[edited by: Essex_boy at 6:08 am (utc) on Sep. 19, 2008]

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he was a poisoner

Don't let him make the coffee in the morning :)

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he was a poisoner

Don't let him make the coffee in the morning :)

You've got me thinking...maybe work-release program hirees would make great customer service reps for dealing with fraudsters and trouble customers...and excellent negotiators with tough vendors. :o)

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Any updates for us rj87uk? Have you interviewed or hired anyone?
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When I started my business, a friend who has 5 businesses told me "Hire anyone, and fire them at the first hint of trouble". His reasoning was that they are on good behavior for the first month, and it is all down hill from there. He also had noted in 25 years of hiring hundreds of people that they don't give a good representation of themselves in an interview. Some look better than they are, some look worse. I thought his advice was horrible.

I was sure I could do a good job of screening people, and could manage effectively. Four years later I find myself agreeing with him. Half of the really good people that I have hired didn't seem anywhere near that good in the interview process. I have found it is really hard to judge a book by its cover.

As for the other advice:

1) Have a document made up of all responsibilities.
2) Make a to do list of all jobs that need done & daily tasks.
3) Have a practical interview with a few small tasks that would help find the brighter ones.
4) "Always take up references." - Essex_boy
5) "Your first and second employee, will take a deep cut into your profits." - minnapple. So on that note find a way to measure the success of the employee.
6) "There are two types of people that you don't want to hire, a friend or a relative." BananaFish

I agree with all the above, although most of the time checking references has been fruitless. People lie too much. I would also suggest that the document to guide the employee is written BEFORE hiring them. I have tried to do it after hiring with very little success.

I have also used temp agencies with good success. Let them spend hours and hours interviewing candidates while you keep working. Hiring the wrong person is much more costly than hiring the right person and paying a little too much.

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Thanks for the advice gpilling, I have started creating that guide of tasks that I will need done on a daily bases and also started on a document of future plans and work that needs done.

Just a little update I have been advertising for the vacancy for around a week and got over 20 CVs and from that I found 6 to be of good quality. I Emailed the 6 to let them know they had an interview for next week (this Thursday now) and two of them got back to me and told me they have found a job already, bit of a shame I really liked one of them.

I have set up four interviews for Thursday and will let you all know how that goes. I have completed a full document of interview questions.

I also went out and bought two computers and also got a small office not far from my home. I have also wrote up a holiday sheet, holiday entitlement and a contract.

I found to get a good amount of CVs you really need to advertise the job on a large website I tried a few small ones however I started getting CVs when I advertised on a large Scottish website.

Will let you all know how I get on with the interviews.

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I had four interviews for today:

Interview One - Never came, When I called him he said he had a new job and sorry for not getting in touch.

Interview Two: He didn't seem to have a great understanding of PHP, MySQL etc.

Interview Three: Late, Car broke down, but good interview.

Interview Four: 30 minutes late and when I called he never answered. So I will put him down as a no show.

The Joys.

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Interview One - Never came, When I called him he said he had a new job and sorry for not getting in touch.

Interview Two: He didn't seem to have a great understanding of PHP, MySQL etc.

Interview Three: Late, Car broke down, but good interview.

Interview Four: 30 minutes late and when I called he never answered. So I will put him down as a no show.

The Joys.

This is why a staffing agency would be such a great way to go. It gives you that "try before you buy" option that sounds like with any member of this group would be a great thing to do.

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I have found someone now and all is going well, started off slow as we had to set up his computer and pretty much just show him what he will be working on and things like that.

He is a nice person etc too, My accountant has added him to the payroll and everything looks like it is sorted.

Thanks for the advice and help everyone!

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Did you find him on your own? or through a service?

How many interviews did it take before you made a decision?

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So a month later, what is the fate of the new hire and the new boss?
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I ended up using a national jobs website that costed £300 to post an advert. I used their database to find developers in the area who have recently updated their CVs. So the guy I got was pretty much head hunted by myself.

The first week was a bit shakey for the new guy as I unintentionally pushed him into the deep end. However over a month down the line everything is going well. He is a nice guy, likes the same type of music and the office is good too.

A few business owners said that since there are only two of us in the office it might be harder to make the job more fun as there is less social interaction simply because there is no one else in the office. However I don't feel this is a problem and we are getting on pretty well, going out for breakfast and lunch and taking some breaks every now and again to get out the office is working well.

So on the whole I am happy that I took someone on and now we need to start increasing revenue!

RJ

 

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