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freshfish

5:37 am on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello,
I have been struggling for the past two year with a number of ideas in my head. I am one of those people who has reams of notes and ideas that span all kinds of niches. Unfortunately, I have not been very successful because I have not focused on any one.

Recently though, I have toned it down and have narrowed down my ideas to a few small to mid-sized sites and am wondering how some of you handle multiple sites especially if they are in different niches?

And finally, if my goal for additional revenue is $2000/m, would you suggest trying to focus on one idea and focus 100% of your energy on it….or run 4 sites that earn about $500/m each?

Regards,
freshfish

MLHmptn

5:54 am on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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First of all freshfish you are not alone with the notes here, there, and everywhere! Secondly nobody can tell you what is best to do. I personally run 4 sites at the moment and find it is getting quite unbearable dealing with all of them at once. I started with one and took a good year to start my 2nd site. I then waited 1 month before launching my 3rd site and only a week later launched my 4th. I honestly think I launched my 4th site too quickly as my phones cannot handle the call volume at the moment even with 2 phone lines per company. My advice would be for you to launch a new site every couple of months when you feel comfortable enough to take on more daily duties. As far as $2000/mo for 1 site vs. 4 sites that do $500/mo I would have to say this..."The sky is the limit!". Always strive to do 3 times what you think your going to do and you will reach your goals otherwise when you hit $2000/mo you will most likely take it easy like most of us do. An extra $2000/mo is quite easily attained and you'll be amazed at what the web can bring you if you do all the right things for your site and yourself. I have already brought in a 4 figure income before August even started and it was all due to just 1 website producing 95% of the earnings while the others are steadfastily now catching on... Anyway, enough rambling....Do what you feel makes you comfortable, test the waters and see how it plays out for you. Don't bite off more than you can chew, and best of luck to you!

MLHmptn

freshfish

1:23 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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MLHmptn...thanks for the info! My problem is that I feel like I have so many good ideas and would love to see them all come to fruition...even if they are all small scale individually...eventually, they will net a nice return as a whole.

digitalv

2:10 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have so many good ideas and would love to see them all come to fruition

If that's the way you feel, then you owe it to yourself to give each idea the attention it deserves - and requires - to be successful. Take it one at a time so you can dedicate all of your resources to getting one site up and running and bringing in a few bucks. It's time to start the next site when you get to the point that the first site doesn't seem to be growing and isn't taking up as much of your time.

$2,000 is not a lot of money, I can't think of any reason you wouldn't be able to do that with one site anyway, so you may not need four to reach your goal. It's also easier to get traffic going to a single site, and when you do get a steady stream of visitors now you have a powerful site to use to link to your other sites if you decide to get them going.

freshfish

3:06 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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digitalv, thanks for the comments...they are motivating! However, when you say the 2k is not alot of money...I guess that would be relative. I have heard alot of people struggling with their sites and not making money...thats why I though a few smaller sites might do the trick rather than putting all your eggs in one basket.

So, do you feel that $2k/m is an attainable goal (while maintaining a full time job)?

bhartzer

3:09 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A to-do list is has helped me tremendously. I keep adding to it all the time and all the tasks that will make me the biggest amount of $$ get moved to the top.

Lord Majestic

3:09 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you can handle it then (all things being equal) having 4 sites generating $500 each is strategically better than having just one site generating $2,000. Diversification is something most businesses leave until it hurts and many don't survive the pain.

digitalv

8:14 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So, do you feel that $2k/m is an attainable goal (while maintaining a full time job)?

Without knowing what type of sites you plan on running, or how much time you have to dedicate to it, I can't really answer that. Like I said, $2,000 isn't a lot of money, but how easy it is to obtain depends on how you plan on making a living from your sites. If you're selling a product or service, $2k is chump change. If you're thinking you're just going to throw some content up and make your money off of AdSense or something like it though, then you should definiately think about only doing one site at a time - it's a lot easier to focus on getting a bunch of traffic to one new site than getting a bunch of traffic to many of them.

You hear about a lot of people who struggle with their sites because the majority of people fall into two categories (1) Those who are lazy, and (2) Those who do too much. Sometimes when you have a lot to do you need to do it, and other times when you have a lot to do you need to take a break. The successful people are the ones who know which is which :)

Honestly if you're just doing it as a side thing, I wouldn't set any financial goal. Financial goals are for people who have to meet investor criteria, want a return on their investment, or have bills to pay. If you've already got a job that pays the bills, then don't set any dollar figure, just do what you do and don't worry about the money. It's a great thing not to have to worry about money - why would you want to when you don't have to? :) You have a real advantage over people who are starting a business and know that if they don't make a certain amount they're going to have to go back to a regular job.

Diversification is something most businesses leave until it hurts and many don't survive the pain.

While sometimes this is true, remember that most businesses in diverse markets got that way through acquisitions, not by starting multiple companies. There are 3 different stages in this arena, and there are successful businesses in all of them.

(1) McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, etc. These are successful businesses with no diversification what so ever. You'll never be able to drive up to McDonalds and order a burger and curtains.

(2) FedEx/UPS/Microsoft - These guys are sort of in the middle to end stages of diversification. For years FedEx and UPS did nothing but deliver packages. Now you're starting to see "The UPS Store" and FedEx acquired Kinkos. Microsoft did nothing but make software, and now they have MSN and X-Box, as well as a number of other small interests. This form of diversification was done to do more business not to meet existing goals.

(3) Phillip Morris - Probably the king of diversification, having their hands in everything from Cigarettes to food. Doesn't get any more diverse than these guys :)

One thing you'll notice though - all of these diverse businesses are separate companies. If Marlboro goes out of business, it's not going to hurt Kraft's bottom line. Diversification is something that takes a lot of organization, and the most successful diverse companies didn't start 10 companies all at once - they became that diverse starting one business and acquiring other companies or starting new side ventures after their core business was already successful. Most of the people who try to diversify in the beginning end up failing miserably because it's too much to handle. Get one thing going first, then you'll have the money and the time to take on the next project.

Lord Majestic

8:29 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Big businesses can sustain heavy losses for a long time because they got big credit lines, shareholders etc. They can survive even if they were not "diversified". They often use separate businesses because its a good idea to isolate business units so that they can be sold, people get laid off easier than if they were integral part of one company.

Its much more dangerous to small businesses because one hit can bankrupt many of them. Say in the UK a lot of small businesses would be technically bankrupt if they won't get paid for their services within 60 days (usual time is 30+).

In websites case where search engines can play huge role in growth they also represent big threat as what if your business get removed for whatever reason? Personally I'd rather have 3 diverse revenues streams of $500 each rather than 1 stream of $2,000. With few websites running its also better chance to understand which of them can potentially turn big - in a way you don't commit yourself to one area.

ggmike

9:29 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If its a side thing, do 1 site only at a time and slowly expand. Trust me, when you have a job, adding extra things to think about will eat your time like crazy and you'll just spin your wheels. What kind of site is it anyways?

freshfish

10:44 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Lordmajestic, I like your perspective that by running multiple smaller sites, you can gauage which one has more potential and go with that one.

The sites are too many to list. I have a project list of about 100+ and alot of them are fairly viable. Some a little more off the wall than others and some are simply experiements that will either bust or take off.

Being a side project, I don't have to worry how much it brings in. But setting financial goals will let me know if I am being succesful.

digitalv

4:42 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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setting financial goals will let me know if I am being succesful

Success isn't a dollar figure - success is when you don't have to think about money to do the crap you want to do in life :)

MLHmptn

7:55 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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fresfish : "setting financial goals will let me know if I am being succesful"
** Money is not a goal, its what you can do with that money that is ultimately the goal **

digitalv : "Success isn't a dollar figure - success is when you don't have to think about money to do the crap you want to do in life" :)

Oh how true that statement is digitalv!

freshfish :

Bottom line is this...if you take on 4-5 sites do you have the time and if your married is your wife willing to let you work into the wee hours of the night? If your new to building a website the best thing would quite honestly be to start with 1 website and just experience the burden it will put on you. I would bet money that within 6 months if you give it all you got you will easily make $2000/mo if not quadruple that amount per month. Having a website quite simply devours your free time and it is something that you need to be fully aware of. I quite honestly don't know how anybody can start a website and maintain it with a full-time job elsewhere. Somebody needs to be there to answer the phone when a customer calls or else your customer will be wondering who they are dealing with and word of mouth will spread quite fast on the internet if you build a reputation of dis-service. Personally I easily spend a good 6-8 hours per day building and maintaining content on my sites. I work until about 2 am every single night and wake up at 8 am to answer calls. By the time Saturday rolls around my ass is kicked! My wife and I have had many squabbles about spending time together and how my websites have affected our relationship and it is something that if your married you will have to take into consideration. My wife is fully understanding of the obstacles ahead of me and the time it takes to maintain my sites day in and day out but it is for this reason that I say you should take everything into consideration. Simply building a site isn't a money tree. :>~

MLHmptn

freshfish

12:51 am on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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MLHmptn...the reason I set a dollar figure was because I felt that would be the extra income that would allow me to do the things I want to do (that obviously require money).

As for running sites, I have extensive experience in the online world. Unfortunately, I had worked for someone else and did a great job. I do freelance design, have good grasp of maintianing servers, enough of php,perl and mysql to configure and tweak scripts. I am also very well read on the various aspects that make sites succesful...my problem is/was

>> fear of committing to one project and always wondering what if I had ran site X, Y or Z
>> too creative (I have so many fairly decent ideas and more developing in my head all the time)

I think what I will do is try to run 2 to start with and add one every three months and see what happens 12 months from now when I would have 5 sites...the oldes two being 12 months old. I would be able to guagae which ones deserve more of time.

You guys rock!