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Selling My Website and Taxes

self employment and federal tax is killing me!

         

Chief

6:35 pm on Feb 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have had an offer for one of my sites for about 30k which is about what I would take "in pocket" for the site.

However, at the end of the year, that money would be taxed at 30% minimum federal tax (US) plus a self employment tax of 15% (sole proprietor). So basically about 45% of the 30k would have to go back in taxes making the sale NOT worth it.

Is there any other way to do the sale for some tax advantages in the US?

For those of you that are self-employed, doesnt that 15% self employment (pays for Social Security and Medicare) tax on top of realy suck!

Any suggestions or ideas (just mostly ranting here)...

Mardi_Gras

6:39 pm on Feb 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You need to talk to an accountant - you are misinterpreting the tax laws.

Chief

6:51 pm on Feb 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What makes you think I am misinterpreting the tax law? I know for a fact that I have to pay "about" 15% of income to self-employment tax because I am not incorporated.

The 30% federal tax is not an exact number but I know even before the sell that other income I will make will push SOME of my income into those higher brackets. In others words I know ALL of my income would not be taxed at 28% (but all income OVER a certain amount is).

the first $7,000 of income is taxed at 10 percent; dollars $7,001 through $28,400 are taxed at 15 percent; dollars $28,401 through $68,800 are taxed at 25 percent; and dollars $68,801 through $143,500 are taxed at 28 percent.

So the point I was trying to make is this. Let say I made the sale at the end of the year and I had already (before the sale) made 70k. The additional 35K from the sale WOULD be taxed at 28% PLUS about %15 self employment tax (although you only pay SE tax up to a certain limit around 82K or so)for a total of about 43% tax.

I am no tax expert and I will be talking to someone but that's the way I see it...

Mardi_Gras

7:03 pm on Feb 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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First, I am trying to avoid specifics because I am not qualified to give tax information. But you are looking at this sale as though it were ordinary income. In all likelihood - your accountant is the right place to get this answer - it would be taxed as capital gains, which are taxed on a significantly different basis.

> I know for a fact that I have to pay "about" 15% of income to self-employment tax

I feel your pain.

Mardi_Gras

7:20 pm on Feb 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I did find this on the web:

Capital Gain (or loss). A category of gain or loss under the tax law resulting from the sale or other disposition of specified property such as stock or bond investments, real estate, etc. It does not include property used in a trade or business. However, special rules apply in such situations that can result in similar treatment for business property.

Don't know if this applies to you or not - see your accountant :)

Chief

8:04 pm on Feb 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Mardi_Gras.

To bad we don't have an accountant on these forums (willing to give a few pointers) :)

percentages

8:45 am on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>$68,801 through $143,500 are taxed at 28 percent.

Yeah....so why haven't you incorporated exactly?

The sale could be seen as a capital gain.....you would need a CPA to rubber stamp this IMHO.

However, if you incorporated the gain could most definately be seen as a distribution and therefore save you most of the SE tax. You could also roll the sale into the future, or an IRA, and not pay a penny.

A good CPA should pay for themselves several times over.....and are therefore are not a real expense at all.

rogerd

4:39 pm on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'll add to the chorus, Chief... you are going to lose a lot more than the cost of a few hours of CPA time if you don't get good advice on structuring this transaction.

While lots of routine accounting stuff doesn't require expensive input, the proper structure of a business and a major asset sale are a couple of areas where good legal & accounting advice will more than pay for themselves.

atadams

5:09 pm on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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And isn't the cost of the accountant deductible?

rogerd

6:22 pm on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Legal and accounting fees are certainly deductible business expenses, although they still involve the outlay of real cash which will be only partly offset by their deductibility. Nevertheless, this transaction is of a magnitude where good advice is important - a minor change in the sales contract might save thousands in taxes.