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Is my website my house?

Can I stop someone from visiting?

         

FridayNight

2:51 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a very unpleasant problem. One of my forum members started to comment every thread, he way saying nonsense all the time. When I officially asked him to stop, he start saying things like "moderators of this forums are idiots", "moderators are doing things wrong", "you should do that and this", etc.. This was going on for weeks. I blocked him, emailed him that he is breaking site terms and I told him that he is no longer welcome on the forum because that domain is my property and I don't want to see him in his house. If he will continue, I will report him to ISP provider.

He got mad and start posting messages like "you started a war with me, now you will see... i am going to create lots of messages and you can delete them. i have 24 hours and i look forward to play with you". he really pissed me off with that.

1 hour ago he emailed me saying that he knows that I own and operate the domain but I cannot tell him to stay away from my domain. He will go on with these activities. He says that he can visit my domain and write to my forum whenever he feels so and I am not going to stop him because he has the right to do it!

what do you think? as the owner of the website can i tell someone NOT to visit my site anymore? if i cant do that then i feel like i own a house which has no doors and where everyone can come in and i cant say anything :(

help...

Marketing Guy

2:58 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi FridayNight and welcome to WW! :)

Don't worry, you're not alone - most people who run a forum meet these types of people! ;)

Check out the forum community building section [webmasterworld.com]. In particular, the topic, "What to do with a major troll [webmasterworld.com]".

Scott

buckworks

3:03 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It is TOTALLY legitimate to block an abuser from your forum.

You said you blocked him, but then said he was still posting. What sort of blocking features are provided by your forum software? It sounds as though you're not using them to full capacity.

Rosalind

3:12 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Your website is like your house, because you are paying for it, and you have every right to bar the doors to troublemakers.

Be prepared for attempts at retaliation, because a lot of people have got it into their heads that the internet should be a free-for-all with no barriers, but someone has to pay the bandwidth and police the libel.

I block "users" all the time. Most of these are just bots, but sometimes it will be real people, and it's not that uncommon for pests to get angry and threaten to hack your site, or simply to keep signing up and posting insults. The first step is to find out this guy's IP and block it if it's static. Definitely contact his ISP, and keep evidence of his abuse so you can email it to them to make the case against him.

If his ISP don't boot him it will be up to you to set a forum cookie that will make his posts visible only to himself. People won't feed the troll if they don't know he is there, and he will soon get bored and go elsewhere. Remember, you have all the power in this situation, and you don't have to put up with him.

FridayNight

6:46 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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unfortulately he is experienced enought to use proxy servers to surf through. there is no way to block his IP because it keep changing. he always changes his cookies too. i will report it to his ISP because i know which ISP he uses. i will also implement the feature mentioned in other thread where someone suggested i should show his messages to him but not to other users.

it looks like i can make his life harder but there is always a way around and if he wants, he can always come back :-¦

kevinpate

7:05 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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there's a certain poetic justice to having a troll not be able to get a rise out of you, or anyone else, no matter what that troll posts.

Of course, the down side is the troll may be bright enough to figure out this is happening and just come back around via a backup persona that you haven't yet limited.

As the troll is already rattling your bridge supports, I'd be somewhat surprised if the troll has only one user-id at your site at this time)

FridayNight

7:13 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yes, more users, you are right. i found 5 but he keeps coming back with more. i guess i will have to spend days and weeks on this i***t.

AAnnAArchy

8:19 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Do you have automated approval for registrations? If so, then shut that down and manually approve accounts. Make new users register with paid ISP email addresses. He'll get bored if he can't immediately sign up for new accounts.

FridayNight

8:49 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hmmmm, this idea is not so bad actually. i was thinking about manual approval but i didnt combine it with local ISP address. very good!

Essex_boy

9:47 pm on Dec 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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why do people do this?

supermanjnk

1:34 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The best thing you can do in this situtation is to get his ip, and report his abuse to his ISP. If he is on dial-up that becomes a little harder, so if he's using an email to sign up that is from his IP include that aswell.

FridayNight

1:57 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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right now i am waiting for his next move, then i will report it to his ISP and we will see. in worst scenario (requires some work for me) i will turn off automatic signup and attach a cell phone to my PC. every new user will have to send a blank SMS from his phone to my number in order to activate the account. its simple and besides this i get their numbers. i wonder why other sites didnt start practicing this as we all know how easy is to create 50 hotmail accounts and do the damage. it is much harder to obtain 50 different cell phone SIM cards...

AAnnAArchy

5:26 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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That wouldn't work for me, either as a user or an admin. As an admin, I hate my cell phone and only use it for emergencies. As a user, I hate my cell phone and only use it for emergencies. If a board required any contact using my phone number, I wouldn't bother. Sure, that may work for getting rid of your troublemaker, but it might also get rid of a lot of non-troublemakers.

createErrorMsg

8:14 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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why do people do this?

Because they weren't loved enough as children.

vkaryl

10:49 pm on Dec 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As an admin, I hate my cell phone and only use it for emergencies. As a user, I hate my cell phone and only use it for emergencies.

Heh. Ditto.

FridayNight

12:29 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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years ago i thought that no one will load music to their phone. believe me, young people do unbeliveable things, they send SMS messages like crazy and they pay for something we never imagined before. activating something using their phone is a normal thing for them.

my guess is that websites (signups) will turn to this solution because using an email+confirmation link does not help in any way anymore. that was ok when we only had one email (email address at ISP). what does a confirmation email mean /protect/ today to site owner? nothing. someone can open 100 email accounts in one day.

dont you agree with me?

HughMungus

12:32 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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set a forum cookie that will make his posts visible only to himself

Brilliant.

Marketing Guy

12:38 am on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Paying for stuff by SMS is more and more commonplace these days. Even back when I was at Uni studying marketing, our lecturer went off on a tangent about how we would be paying for stuff by mobile phone in the not so distant future.

He wasn't too web-techy and was thinking more along the lines of vending machines and the like, but it's a solid vision! :)

I don't think we're quite ready for requiring mobile phone numbers for registration on forums yet. Perhaps in a few years, charging a nominal fee via SMS will be mass market and industry standard for operating forums?

Personally, I wouldn't whip out my credit card to pay $3 or so to register somewhere, but I'd happily fire off a SMS to pay the charge.

Scott

hfwd

12:17 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Marketing Guy - paying via cell phone is already a reality in some European countries...