Java Dies, Says Jobs

General info re: developers and webmasters

[tangor]

A number of reports regarding Steve Jobs announcement that Java is depreciated on Mac now and all future versions. Where does this go? Merely reporting. Don't use Java or Javascript myself... (or as little as I can get away with!)

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[maximillianos]

Java and JavaScript are two different elephants. The java Jobs is talking about is the java runtime environment that supports java applications. JavaScript is a browser language completely unrelated with the exception of some syntax similarities.

[tangor]

Read the articles. As quoted:

Apple has "deprecated" Java on Mac OS X, meaning it will pay even less attention to upkeep of the platform, and it may kill the platform entirely on a future version of its operating system.

This, I think, is significant.

[maximillianos]

I Agee. I was just pointing out the difference between the two. You mentioned them together like they are one in the same. When they are completely different.

[tangor]

Sorry for confusion... merely commenting that I don't use either one. :)

[Samizdata]

Where does this go?

Unbundling on OSX may be a nuisance for some, but most people probably won't notice.

Java used to be bundled with Windows, they dropped it, and an installable version soon followed from Sun - those who need it download it from the Sun website.

I would expect this to go the same way.

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[encyclo]

Java used to be bundled with Windows, they dropped it, and an installable version soon followed from Sun - those who need it download it from the Sun website.

As I understand it, whereas Sun (Oracle now) made Java for other platforms, Apple were maintaining their own version, doing all the work and still paying Oracle for the pleasure.

I'm far from being a Mac-lover, but why is it that when MS dropped their Java variant it was good, but Apple doing the same is somehow evil? Apple are merely pushing the problem towards Oracle who will now have to do the work themselves to maintain Java's presence on the Mac (which they won't want to lose), Apple save money and hassle and end users get a true Oracle-backed Java rather than an Apple one.

[phranque]

why is it that when MS dropped their Java variant it was good, but Apple doing the same is somehow evil?

the difference is that the "MS app store" is an open marketplace and the Mac App Store will be controlled by apple which will reject any apps that use "deprecated or optionally installed technologies".

[rocknbil]

First Flash, now Java, why doesn't he just come out with it and say "if it's not owned by Apple, it's outta here?" Sheesh.

[Sgt_Kickaxe]

A number of reports regarding Steve Jobs announcement that Java is depreciated on Mac now and all future versions.

Sounds like an attack at java based adsense to me. intentionally omiting java, or at least not making it backwards compatible, makes very little sense and is fairly ignorant otherwise.

[phranque]

sounds like he wants to control all software delivery to all apple platforms through itunes and the app store.