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Framing someone else's content - what's acceptable?

         

dwilson

5:22 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am interested in including some news stories on a site. I would like to IFrame the site on which they reside. That way my visitors still have my navigation links to go elsewhere on my site.

As long as what I frame includes the source URL is that acceptable? Several places would even be including their own navigation & ads within my frame.

thanks.

dwilson

pleeker

5:25 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm of the opinion that pulling someone else's content into your site without their permission is never acceptable.

If they want you to use their content, they'd probably be offering an RSS-feed or some other code snippet that you could include in your own pages.

jimbeetle

5:43 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That way my visitors still have my navigation links to go elsewhere on my site.

You get the benefit of the other site's content and the other site gets...?

Chndru

5:46 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Think about Google Cache, AJ SERPS?

dwilson

5:53 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You get the benefit of the other site's content and the other site gets...?

The other site gets its name, links, and ads displayed. No better for them than just a link ... but almost as good.

pleeker

5:54 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Chndru, you're comparing apples and oranges. When Google and AJ show my content it's to MY benefit -- people use Google and AJ because they want to find other web sites. I want my sites listed there. I develop my sites in such a way that Google and AJ can "use my content" -- and I can use robots.txt if I don't want them to.

What's being proposed here is a totally one-way thing. How does the "news" site benefit by having its content used on dwilson's site, but within dwilson's site framework? What if the news site doesn't want its content being used like this? (If it wanted others to use its content, it would be making it available in some other way ... RSS, javascript code, etc.) What can it do to stop having its content pulled into frames?

The comparison doesn't fly.

Receptional

5:59 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)



I think it would be polite to ask.

That said, some search engines (including w*w.ask.co.uk) do exactly that so presumably the legalities are mute but in my opinion it is no different to the uninformed user as cutting and pasting the content onto your own page. Depends on the content but I would suggest that it is only right to ask. (Unlike ask themselves do!)

jimbeetle

6:11 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The other site gets its name, links, and ads displayed. No better for them than just a link ... but almost as good.

And a basically unusable version of its site framed within your page. Very dicey. Actually, I think it crosses the line to downright unethical. If I were the webmaster I'd plop a block in .htaccess in half a heartbeat. How would your page look then?

As for Jeeves, et al, just 'cause they do it doesn't mean its right; why they persist only they know. But that's what frame busters are for.

synergy

6:14 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I would ask, and also let them know you will be including a spiderable link to their site as well as their name and any other promotional content.

What's in it for you? Avoiding copyright infringement and supplying your readers with good content.

What's in it for them? A percentage of your traffic and "authority" status.

dwilson

6:15 pm on Dec 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OK, thanks. It's a site under development. I'll find a way that's not "dicey".

dwilson

jimbeetle

4:42 pm on Dec 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Now let me try to be constructive.

I sometimes find news items and feeds to be only 'somewhat' relevant. Can you consider cherry picking very relevant news items and writing commentary on them in something like a blog or similar format? Something like:

The End Is Near for Tables
According to this site [webmasterworld.com] web designers "should no longer use tables" for layout purposes. While that might be all well and good for those with no need to pander to NN4 users, those of us who's content must appear the same to that segment of the audience...blah, blah blah

This could be a good vehicle to development original content on a variety of related topics. Blurbs don't have to be long, just write until your knowledge or passion for the topic runs out. And you might be able to come up with a few different twists to develop it even more.