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Sub Directories & Longer .html file Names Questions

Using sub directories and descriptive file names for SEO

         

Bueller

4:26 am on Nov 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I have a couple of newbie questions that I hope you guys can help me with. I'm redesigning my site and wondering if using sub directories and longer .html file names will help with SEO, as compared to what I'm using now.

Some background info.. It's a small site, 5-10 pages, it's been up for 15 + years, sorely outdated. Current structure has all html files in the root directory with very short names (3 characters, i.e. xyz.html).

I'd like some feedback as to whether getting more descriptive (using subfolders and more specific file names) will help. And will abandoning or redirecting the old short urls hurt me? (Not sure if their longevity has any positive impact). There wouldn't be more than 2 levels of subfolders and only 1 or 2 files in the final directories. Assume I'm only selling 5 or 6 tools at a hardware store..

Old example: myhardwarestore.com/abc.html

New example: myhardwarestore.com/hammers/steel_framing_hammer.html

Thank you in advance for any input!

ogletree

5:58 pm on Dec 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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URL's have almost no seo value. Any SEO value they have is negated by the fact that longer URL's are less likely to be linked to than shorter url's. On a site that small keep your old url's. It is almost always a bad idea to change files names after a site has been up for a while.

rocknbil

8:23 pm on Dec 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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That's a pretty bold statement with as much discussion is going on over spaces versus underscores and it's effect on SEO . . . got citations? Why then, if keywords are in the URL, are they always bolded in the serps? You're saying keywords in the URL carry no weight?

Welcome aboard Bueller, in respect to changing your URL's, on a small site it's easy to create a set of .htaccess rules that do a permanently moved header so the S.E.'s know the old link has changed.

<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^old_file.html$ /new_file.html [R=301,L]
</IfModule>

You will see some temporary dips in results once you make these changes, but it will almost always come back. A few years ago we used the "down season" of one site to make some major changes - some of them involving the URL's - and it dipped for about a week, then came back with a vengeance.

maximillianos

8:30 pm on Dec 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Matt Cutts (Google engineer) has mentioned that having keywords in the URL makes sense from a usability perspective. When you see the URL, it has more meaning.

From that, one can deduce that if Matt says it is a good idea, one should probably do it. =)

Though he also said if you have an existing site without keywords in the URL and your ranking fine, you shouldn't go out of your way to change your entire site URL structure.

But if you are starting from scratch, I would recommend it.

[Matt Cutts references cited from in-person attendance when he was speaking at Pubcon and online video]

phranque

10:02 pm on Dec 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com], Bueller!

as mentioned above, you want to consider carefully and have a really good reason for changing and existing url.
"Cool URIs Don't Change [w3.org]"

on the other hand, eyetracking/heatmap studies show that searchers spend time looking at the url so if you can light up relevant keywords in the url it will probably help click-through to some extent.

[edited by: phranque at 9:38 am (utc) on Dec. 2, 2009]

Bueller

11:43 pm on Dec 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thanks all, for the input and the welcome. I ended up completely revamping the website this weekend and used descriptive folders and file names that target my keywords. (all with under_scores LOL). I did do a 301 for all the old file names, too.

I understand domain longevity can have an impact on SEO, but couldn't find any info pointing to longevity of file names, which was a slight consideration.

Here's the thing, the site hadn't been updated in over 6 years and was still using frames...go ahead - cringe! Forget about PR and SERP, they were non-existent. So I don't have much to lose unless the 2 levels of subs turn out to hurt me. For all the work I've put into other people's sites, I kept putting off my own.

ogletree

1:14 am on Dec 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I don't mean to not use keywords in url's I just keep them short. When most people talk about keywords in url you see url's like www.keyword-keyword.com/keyword-keyword/keyword-keyword-keyword-keyword-keyword.html.

A small site does not need sub directories for organization. What Matt is talking about is that URl's help people to know where they are in your site structure not for ranking. A 5 page site needs url's like www.example.com/keyword.html or just www.example.com/keyword/ You can use one dash but I would not do more.

My point is it has very little value. While you are fretting over url's I can outrank you with www.example.com/123.html with more links. On page SEO is a very tiny part of ranking.