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Brett_Tabke

1:18 pm on Nov 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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[eweek.com...]

If software vendors and security companies don't get their act together and start producing better products, users will begin dropping off the Internet out of sheer frustration, predicted John Thompson, chairman and CEO of Symantec Corp., in his keynote speech at Comdex here Wednesday.

Sinner_G

11:03 am on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I personally think that software and security are not the biggest problem on the internet. The spam problem (also talked about in the article) is much bigger, especially since email still is the main thing the internet is used for. Eventually people will be so fed up with spam that they will stop using email or put up filters so restrictive that any normal use of the medium will be impossible.

The solution proposed by John Thompson (i.e. blocking emails from someone who sends 100.000 of them on the provider side) is worth being thought about. At least until spammers find a way of circumventing that, which they eventually will.

trillianjedi

11:38 am on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I quite like the white-list approach offered in that article as a means of combatting spam (alongside other measures).

A digital signature system prevents anyone from sending you a free email where they are not in your "white-list". If they still want to send you a mail, they pay a small charge.

On receipt of that email you then have the option to add them to your "white list".

No idea what the charges would be - I would think 5 pence would be about right. Low enough that most people won't worry too much about it - high enough that the spammer who sends out 5 million emails a week can no longer do so for free.

TJ

moltar

11:44 am on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I strongly disagree with pay per email approach. There are some countries that are not able to pay 5c per email. Some countries do not have credit cards available. And what about youngsters?

Everyone should get a spamcop account and also repost spam to them as frequently as you can. I do that every day.

digitalghost

11:48 am on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Imagine that, the CEO of an anti-virus company predicting user frustration if his product doesn't become more ubiquitous and effective.

More references to spam killing email.

Does anyone read history?

People won't use automobiles because they're too noisy and smelly. Telephones? What? Who wants to listen to people talk? Telegrams are fine and it is simply impossible to string wire to everyone's home.

In the 70's the demise of the automobile was predicted because the world was running out of oil. In the 30's the end of the world was predicted because world agriculture couldn't support the projected population increase that would occur by the 1950s. Strangely, you can find doom and gloom predicted throughout history. Usually by Malthusian scaremongers. Unfortunately, fear is still the great motivator and CEOs aren't above using fear to hawk their products.

The demise of the internet has been predicted so many times that it has become humorous.

victor

11:58 am on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A better structure for a solution to spam would be:
  • My ISP sends an email, and retains a hash digest of it.
  • Your ISP at the other end gets the email and queries the sender, using the hash.
  • The sender confirms that they sent it, and that they are legally repsonsible for all costs associated with it, if it is an illegal spam in either your or my country.
  • If they deny sending it, my ISP forwards it to the spam police without my ever seeing it.
  • My ISP flags "old-style" (ie emails from ISP who do not use the verified-email protocol) as potential spam.
  • If a spam slips through as verified, I claim damages from my ISP who recovers costs from the sender.

  • ISPs take out proper insurance against the risk of that emails they service and verify are actually illegal spam.
  • The insurance companies, to avoid heavy payouts, insist on proper technical and legal compliance before they will insure an ISP. Uninsured ISPs go bust.
  • The insurance companies put out bounties on spam-senders (to make the insurance industry profitable), and we're almost all happy.
  • amznVibe

    12:09 pm on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    That's the silliest thing I have ever heard. People will not stop using the internet. They will just stop using parts of things that annoy them. If their hotmail account fills up, they will switch to yahoo until they make a mess there and find somewhere else. If their ISP bothers them they will try another one and then another one. If a website they use has too many annoying ads they will find another one with less or find software to stop the ads. If they think windows is crashing too much they will try a mac. If they can't find what they want supported on a mac they will come (back) to windows.

    The web is still the wild, wild west for many more years to come. It's no longer in its infancy but its still a child growing up. The software world is only slightly more grown up but its still far from being mature. There will always be problems, but there will always be options.

    The only thing that is true,is that we have lost the innocence of the internet.

    Sinner_G

    2:51 pm on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    DG, imagine what you would do if for one phone call from somebody you know there were 4-5 calls from people trying to sell you something like financial plans, adult material,...

    First you would get your number off any phone directories, but when that doesn't help, you would eventually stop answering the damn thing and find another way to communicate.

    kevinpate

    3:23 pm on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    > you would eventually stop answering the damn thing
    > and find another way to communicate.

    And thus was born the answering machine and when peeps grew tired of the answering machine getting filled with nonsense, caller ID, call waiting, call zapper, etc., etc.
    Whenever there is a need for a better mousetrap, someone will build it in hopes the masses flock to it.

    And it's not always even profit based. On a freebie Y! account I've held onto, the spam detection is far superior to what it was 5 years back.

    HughMungus

    4:48 pm on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    And it's not always even profit based. On a freebie Y! account I've held onto, the spam detection is far superior to what it was 5 years back.

    Actually, that is profit based...my point being that, as someone said, there's money in providing better and better services, even if they're "free".

    digitalghost

    1:28 pm on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    In response to Internet Usage Could Drop I thought this was pertinent:

    The Internet is becoming more central to daily life for more Americans, according to anew survey
    No mention of global internet usage.

    More [blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com]

    And this:

    The online presence of Americans aged 65 and older jumped 25 percent this year, to a total of almost 10 million surfers, while 55- to 64-year-olds upped their numbers by 15 percent, to almost 16 million, according to a new study by Nielsen//NetRatings, a market research firm.

    More [cbs.marketwatch.com]

    Nova Reticulis

    4:23 pm on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Spam is not the worst problem of the Internet. Stupid people who buy things from spammers are the worst problem of the Internet.

    amznVibe

    4:44 pm on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Actually, first thing I would do if it got that bad is change my number and be more careful who I give it out to next time... I wouldn't just stop using the phone...

    TGecho

    6:11 pm on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    >> Stupid people who buy things from spammers are the worst problem of the Internet.

    My point exactly! The only reason people spam is because spam is profitable.