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Should I create Fake Identities for All my Sites?

Trying to build a nice sneaky network

         

adder

4:42 pm on Mar 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I remember I read this post on bluehat or somewhere else. The idea was that if you got a decent size site, it is better to split it up and create several smaller sites to interlink them into a network.

Well, it makes a lot of sense in many ways. I have seen networks doing a great job.

So, a technical question. Let's assume I split my site into a forum, article directory and a sales site. Then the forum and directory would link to the sales site boosting it up.

But, is there a catch? Obviously Google keeps the record of Whois. Normally my three new sites would all be registered under my name. Although it is not a crime to interlink your own websites (It's not, I've done that before), it might be better to keep them all on different names.

What do you think about that?

LifeinAsia

4:57 pm on Mar 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Google also keeps records of IP addresses. So unless you host the sites with different hosting companies, Google will still most likely know.

And if Google sees you trying to hide your identity, Google will most likely be suspicious of why you feel the need to try to hide your identity.

kaled

6:49 pm on Mar 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

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The only reason to do what you're suggesting is to scam search engines. It might work or it might backfire but without any evidence favouring the "it might work" option, it sounds like a waste of time, money and effort.

Kaled.

maximillianos

11:08 pm on Mar 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Don't do it.

phranque

7:27 am on Mar 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

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if you have to ask, your resulting network will probably be visible from space.

you would be better served to consolidate your inbound links and relevant internal linking in one domain.

explorador

3:22 pm on Mar 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Google also keeps records of IP addresses. So unless you host the sites with different hosting companies, Google will still most likely know.

Don't do it.

Well said. The ip thing shows from a mile away and will not truly help you.

your resulting network will probably be visible from space.

True.

In fact it won't be obvious only to G or other SE, but to Webmasters too. Very often we receive link exchanges or "business" offers from sites with tons of links but... are just cousins. It shows.

JS_Harris

11:02 am on Mar 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I think "don't do it" isn't strong enough. How about "don't try to game the major league talent when you still need to use a t-ball bat to play".

Seriously, don't game the search engines. You'll lose more than you can possibly gain in the long term.

phranque

10:46 pm on Mar 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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when you still need to use a t-ball bat

aka "if you have to ask..."
=8)

adder

10:07 am on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I know what you mean :) Although it's been a rough ride I've made quite a good money already so I'm not exactly holding a t-ball bat LOL

I consider myself warned but still temptation is too big and I will give it a try. Of course, I'm not following the Bluehat how-to. I have my system and I'm gonna try it. If I fail, well, I just lose a site... big deal!

Talking about gaming the engines. I don't feel I'm doing something bad. I can honestly say that when it concerns my niche, I've got the best data package out there. I've got a relevant database of useful stuff my visitors will love to read. I've checked it with CopyScape and my stuff is unique.

Top 10 spots are held by yadda-yadda MFA but they are there because they are mostly more than 5 years old and got massive backlinks. Do I feel bad about competing with them using a shady method? No :)

JS_Harris

11:05 am on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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If I fail, well, I just lose a site... big deal!

I think the stakes are higher than that, you may find anything you do on whichever site you do it on being sandboxed eventually. Google is a leading authority on finding, tracking and managing data and that includes more than websites, it includes us too.

JS_Harris

11:07 am on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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In other words adder - if you pull it off you become a threat to their business model, good luck with that!

Radejr

4:54 pm on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I use a website for my domains that blocks my address and personal information when people whois me.

BradleyT

8:25 pm on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Don't listen to anyone who has replied. Go for it.

Swanny007

8:34 pm on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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If you do decide to separate the sites, why would you go to the trouble of "hiding" that fact? If you're going to interlink them anyway (which we know is not a bad thing if they're related), I don't see why you'd go to the trouble of trying to hide things.

I think it's debatable as to whether it's "better" to split up a large site. There are countless examples of large sites that are successful. If splitting up the sites works for you, then great. Personally I wouldn't. I've noticed that my larger sites continue to grow and get more traffic, possibly as a result of being so large and popular. If you split one site into three you may have a harder time growing all of them.

Good luck and be sure to post back here and let us know how it goes. I for one am interested to see what sort of impact this has.

phranque

11:36 pm on Mar 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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If I fail, well, I just lose a site... big deal!

or if the network is discovered, you just lose a network of sites...
also no big deal?

Don't listen to anyone who has replied.

except for your detailed recommendation, right?
=8)

BradleyT

6:15 pm on Mar 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Here's how it works in my industry -

Each big player creates a mega-site. Each big player buys hundreds to thousands of mini-sites to link back to the mega-site with good keyword rich text. Big players all dominate top 10 SERPs for all the good one and two word phrases. Big players make hundreds of millions a year without a product (this is lead gen and a few are public companies that report their numbers).

Their mega-sites are legit. The rest of their network runs the spectrum from utter crap to semi-useful. Bottom line is that it works. OP doesn't need to be scared to have a little 3 site network lol.

adder

12:40 pm on Apr 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Each big player creates a mega-site. Each big player buys hundreds to thousands of mini-sites to link back to the mega-site with good keyword rich text.

Thank you for this comment. If I understand you correctly, they operate the mini-sites independently - as different persons (if you look at whois). If that's the case, I can imagine how difficult and costly is to set it up. Think of all the fake identities and addresses they have to create. Or maybe they just use private registrations (although I have never believed private registrations are really private LOL)

OP doesn't need to be scared to have a little 3 site network lol.

OP says he's brave! :)

Dsgnr

2:54 pm on Apr 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Yes, don't play with Search Engines. Especially google.

phranque

7:19 pm on Apr 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com], Dsgnr!

BradleyT

7:20 am on Apr 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Thank you for this comment. If I understand you correctly, they operate the mini-sites independently - as different persons (if you look at whois). If that's the case, I can imagine how difficult and costly is to set it up. Think of all the fake identities and addresses they have to create. Or maybe they just use private registrations (although I have never believed private registrations are really private LOL)

I don't even think they bother using private registration data - never checked. A couple of the top companies make it easy to figure out they own the site because they use the same footprint everywhere. There are some legal requirements that have to be posted on these sites and each company will repeatedly use the same link text and copy text for this requirement.

So when you see a footer link that says "widgetville disclaimer notice" you know it's a company A site and when it says "widgetville privacy notice" you know it's a company B site. Plus the backlinks to their main site is a pretty big giveaway.