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Here are some additional details regarding this newsletter and past newsletters that may help:
1. For this particular e-mail, we included two links to sites other than our client's website. The first was Google Maps (link to directions to the client's store), and the second was a link to a survey/form that our company created for this specific e-mail. Would it have helped to have all of the links within the e-mail pointing to the same domain name (but not necessarily the exact same page)?
2. We send out 1-3 e-mails per month for this client, and I've never gone back and manually removed e-mails that have bounced in the past. One thought I had was to have a "three strikes and your out" policy where I would manually remove e-mails after they've bounced in three different newsletters. The obvious downside to doing this is the amount of time required, but the client might be willing to pay for it.
3. I guess we could add a line in the newsletter that asks users to add us to their address books, but I wouldn't count on many users following through.
If anyone has any advice on other techniques to reduce the number of bounces, I'd love to hear them.
Would it have helped to have all of the links within the e-mail pointing to the same domain name
add a line in the newsletter that asks users to add us to their address books
I've never gone back and manually removed e-mails that have bounced in the past
downside to doing this is the amount of time required, but the client might be willing to pay for it
Good luck with reducing your bounce rate.
To answer the questions about my list, it's a compilation of e-mails submitted via a single optin web form, as well as e-mails gathered by sales people either in person or over the phone (probably single optin as well unless the sales person asked them to repeat their e-mail :)
What sort of mailing list software do you use?
my list, it's a compilation of e-mails submitted via a single optin web form, as well as e-mails gathered by sales people either in person or over the phone
For the future, I recommend to
a) switch the online registration to a double-optin process. By telling your subscribers that you do double-optin to prevent misuse of their email address (others typing in their address) you also could gain credibility.
b) when obtaining email addresses offline, ask the contact for explicit confirmation that he wants to receive your newsletter (which probably contains commercial content) - also take a note about how you obatained data as described above.
c) provide a simple unsubscribe feature in every issue of your newsletter.
At first glance, no one likes unsubscribes, but it is much better to have people unsubscribe by themselfs than having them mark your newsletter as spam.
The obvious downside to doing this is the amount of time required, but the client might be willing to pay for it.
I, literally, just got done cleaning up a clients opt-in newsletter list and logged in to WW to see this thread.
I agree that a double opt in is a good way to go. In cleaning up my client's list (which is single opt in) I was amazed to see simple typos and mistakes people make when entering their email address. Lot's of misplaced "dots", lots of "eatrhlinks.com" or alo.coms, as well as a lot of spoofed addresses.
It seems a lot of people think faster than they type!
[edited by: Anolonda at 5:14 pm (utc) on Nov. 17, 2007]
Why?
1) AOL users are congenitally err... "challenged".
2) AOL's email interface begs for its fat-fingered users to hit the SPAM button in error.
3) AOL's browser is terminally rogered.
4) AOL's auto blacklisting is seriously clumsy, banning whole blocks of IPs rather than blocking the spammer.
5) Please contribute you own...
Ensure you remove all aol users from your list.
We dumped hundreds, and warn people on sign-up NOT to use aol.
Those who do we wipe out immediately.
Why?
1) AOL users are congenitally err... "challenged".
warn people on sign-up NOT to use aol
4) AOL's auto blacklisting is seriously clumsy, banning whole blocks of IPs rather than blocking the spammer.
Pls check postmaster.aol dot com for guidelines regarding their email policies and how to best reach their memebers. Some helpful information on these pages.
Both we, and our very responsible Hosting Company, checked, and closely adhered to those "guidelines", and still fell-foul of AOL's fat fingered techs. Their "guidelines" are a mere space-filler for appearances. Don't waste your time.
AOL, and their users, are simply not worth the effort for the trouble they cause.
They are banned from our list, and will remain so ad inf.
Your suggestion that they are "easy-spenders" is short-sighted; America is "buying on tick", and in any case, we are not selling. There are far better reasons to provide a website.
It's also very pleasant not to receive all caps emails anymore.
Remember those?
AOL, and their users, are simply not worth the effort for the trouble they cause.
I'm close to reaching the same conclusion. Although I haven't yet decided just to ban AOL email addresses, I'm very close and have been for some time now.
I follow the 95-5 rule which is 5% of your customers will create 95% of your headaches. I'm willing to do without 5% of my customers to avoid 95% of my headaches.
And when it comes to email issues, the huge majority of the headaches I experience originate with AOL email addresses. I don't know why that is, I just know that it is.
FarmBoy
AOL, and their users, are simply not worth the effort for the trouble they cause.I'm close to reaching the same conclusion. Although I haven't yet decided just to ban AOL email addresses, I'm very close and have been for some time now.
We banned them around two years ago, because the Hosting Company we use was getting blocked by AOL. They blocked the whole IP range used by a very responsible Company!
Our list has always been clean, 100% double confirmed opt-in subscribers ONLY. It uses Domain keys, and sends just one plain text email a month. (A NFP, not commercial).
Despite this, a couple of AOL subscribers reported it as spam.
Our Host told us it was common for them to get "spam reports" from AOL initiated by genuine subscribers to lists.
You know the reasons...
So to prevent any possibility of us causing any headaches for our host, we chose voluntarily to wipe all AOL users from our mailing lists.
Since then, there's not been a single "spam report" due to our list.
Our Host knows we've always run a clean list, and we appreciate their excellent service.
With AOL's clumsy blacklisting, it would be wise to keep AOL off your lists completely.
They won't learn, or improve, but your overall email 'penetration' will not be damaged by AOL if you ditch them.