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I don't quite know why, since I really understand the technology and I consider myself as a person having "good taste" in general. I suspect some things:
* Simply too much competition. Everything has been done, and people don't care about quality but quantity. If you're first, you're set.
* Lack of funds. I have no contacts/friends or money to shell out on advertising.
* All good domain names are registered. Finding a good .com domain is like trying to find and buy a green hill in cental Manhattan, NY for $1... damn near impossible.
This day, I killed my last project. I am now very cynical and sad. I don't feel like trying all over again, as I know my site will go ignored. It seems like I have tried every kind of site out there... but they already existed. I just "perfected" the concept (and they went ignored).
Maybe, just maybe I could come up with something unique. But what would that be? And why would you tell me if you knew?
In either case, I'm gonna try now. Please tell me anything. Any ideas that haven't been done. Preferarly primarily non-content, service-based ideas. Preferarly global in nature, or at least not too niched.
What do you miss from the WWW which could actually stand a chance when the author is broke? I only have my skills to work with.
I don't expect anyone to hand me the solution to my problems, but I suspect there are some good pointers out there I haven't considered.
Please help a desperate soul.
sit here and really try my best to come up with an idea. I have made a lot of sites almost ready that I never launched because I realized they would never work (even if I spent many active weeks and sometimes months working on them).
I closed all my "arbitrage"/scraped sites before setting to work on my big, honest project. It took a lot longer than I thought, and while I was really proud of it, it failed miserably. I had spent 6+ months just developing it, and a lifetime of learning before it. I closed this project like a week or two ago.
Why? Presumably you already own the domain names. On another forum it seems that hosting on a vps is less than $120 a year. Less if you go for some of the massively oversold hosts. All of the sites could be on the one vps.
I have *never* pulled the plug on a site. Even if I have abandoned the concept. They are always useful for linking purposes when launching a new site. And who knows, maybe someone will come along who absolutely has to have that concept ready to go.
The domain renewals are just a few dollars each per year.
What I have to point out is that part of the problem with the internet is that the barrier to entry is extremely low.
No one thinks they can become a plastic surgeon on a whim. Even though many plastic surgeons make a lot of money. Yet, people wake up every day and decide to become webmasters.
Some people even have the technical talent to pull it off. The majority are posting on other forums wondering how to navigate cpanel. Usually in a very whiny tone.
But, as with any money making venture, once the foundation is in place, it still takes sales. Every minute of every day.
The best idea/product in the world will languish for want of sales. Why do you think the top sales people in any organisation are so well rewarded? Because figuratively speaking, they bring home the bacon. Think about any big organisation. Who wins the arguments? The network admin or the salesperson who wants some special configuration?
Some people love sales. For the rest of us, it is a necessary evil.
Finally, not every one is suited to being a business owner. Even if the barriers to entry are almost non-existent.
- FOCUS! 1 site serious, 1 for fun and/or toying (not more, don't dilute your energy)
- PATIENCE & CONSISTENCY!
- NEVER do anything to please the search engines!
Yes, it's important to focus, and yet step back some days.
-- You just have to believe in yourself.
-- I know I'm going to make it big.
-- I don't have a fallback plan, because I'm going to make it.
--I won't consider any other options, because that would keep me from focusing on making it.
--I have to make it, because I can't do anything else.
--I know that vanishingly few people make it, but I know I'm one of them, because the people who fail just must not want it as bad as me.
And missing from that list is "hard work". Very telling.
Feels "a little" sad that it took me this many years to realize content is king, though...
I hope that you realise that this is very much at odds with your original claim about how much you know. There is a lesson in realising that.
And finally, to all the posters in this thread. Thank you, it's been a great read :)
altered over the years, I am sure you are all familiar with it. My favorite is;
"There is nothing new under the sun other than history we have to yet to read."
Well Serpmaster what you see here is the whole history of the commercial
Internet spread out before you.
Good, bad or indifferent it is all here for you. Embrace it, reject it or
ignore it you will probably never see such an outpouring of helpful goodwill
If I would had one third of this much help when I started it would have saved
me much time, effort and fustration.
We all have to make our own way in life but with helpful friends the journey is
[edited by: King_Fisher at 2:31 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2007]
Well... I appreciate the many encouraging posts, but I have read this site for years secretly (a typical lurker) and most of it I really already know (fact-wise -- still nice to hear it again for emotional support).
I sit here and really try my best to come up with an idea. I have made a lot of sites almost ready that I never launched because I realized they would never work (even if I spent many active weeks and sometimes months working on them).
I know I don't sound that experienced, but some people just don't get lucky, you know?
I am very afraid of failing again... it would crush me emotionally. I am really trying hard to make some very difficult decisions.
5 pages of valuable advice... but I read this on page 3 and thought, wow, here's a guy who's learned nothing.
Your attitude and work method mirrors one of my friend who I am frustrated with. He constantly looks towards others successes yet fails to analyze why he fails. From reading your post here, I can poke a hole in everything you've said.
1. Lurking - lurking is stupid. I'm sorry, but anytime I jump into a new board, I dive into the discussions. Giving advice makes you look smart, asking questions lets others know who you are. If you lurk, no one will know who you are! Similarly, if your products lurk, no one will ever know about it.
2. Just because you know how to code, how to design and how to build a website doesn't mean you understand business. Learn why you suck and partner with people who can complement your skills. If you love programming, which sounds like you do; find people who love marketing and know NOTHING about programming. If you can sell your idea to a marketer, then they can sell it to the world. If you sell it to no one, then don't expect anyone to pay you for nothing.
3. My friend reads Digg, reads slashdot and a whole bunch of feeds sites. I know he knows about every cool new business out there just as I do, and some of his ideas are actually pretty cool. However, like you, he spends weeks or months building them then gives up on them for no reason at all. Now, I don't mean he takes the site down, but not marketing a site is just as bad as giving up on your baby. Do you despise success? Do you hate people? Do you hate talking to people and that's why you don't market and lurk? Again, find your weakness and find someone to complement your skills.
I have a feeling my friend will never make any money because he simply doesn't learn from his mistakes. Despite the many times I have encouraged his innovative ideas, he spends ZERO time in marketing or link building. Honestly, what's the point of spending all those months coding and figuring out problems if you're just going to toss it all once it's done? If you like programming and nothing else, consider just getting a job as a programmer and doing what you love; you're probably wasting time doing other things anyway.
4. Your experience is earned through each failure. Think about it... if you become successful for that first time, you have ZERO experience on how to be successful. If you get funding for the first time, you will have no idea how to spend it correctly. This is why you network, talk to other people, learn from others mistakes. There really is no reason to lock yourself in a room looking for quick cash. If that's the market you want to compete in, then yes, there's already a ton of people doing that.
5. Fear of failure? Maybe this isn't the right place for you. Yeah, it sucks but it's not the end of the world, at least not for entrepreneurs. Again, there are tons of great advice already given... and yet you choose to stay in your repetitive cycle of failure. Until you can spin yourself out and analyze your failures, you will remain in that loop of despair while other people around you succeed.
Go BIG or go home...