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Spam in the UK now against the law!

         

creative craig

10:43 am on Sep 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Under the new law, spammers could be fined £5,000 in a magistrates court or an unlimited penalty from a jury.

Earlier this month Italy imposed tough regulations to fine spammers up to 90,000 euros (£66,000) and impose a maximum prison term of three years.

BBC article [news.bbc.co.uk]

ukgimp

10:47 am on Sep 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nice sentiment but as with all of these things very hard to enforce across international boundaries. Dont get me wrong I freakin' hate spam mail and think adult email getting into childrens accounts is justification enough for the spammer to be beaten and eaten.

richardb

10:51 am on Sep 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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LOL

>>eaten uurrgh I hate spam ;)

gethan

11:10 am on Sep 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I read the article and thought that the law (to be introduced) will not be much help.

1) Business addresses are allowed to be mailed to.

- OK so how much spam did you delete on your work address today? - I have a personal and business email and I get 100 times the amount on my work address.

2) The vast majority of spam originates off shore - how would this be enforced?

I can see spammers out sourcing the actual sending of there mail to third parties in countries that do not have laws of this nature.

Ok so it's nice that the government have taken an interest - B for effort, E for implementation...

davegerard

4:28 am on Sep 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Why don't we figure out where the remote island that they keep sending SPAM from is and cut 'em off from the Internet altogether. They can SPAM each other...haha.

Seriously, is it theoretically possible to disable a connection between countries? Let say if everyone wanted to get those countries to comply with some International standards and ethics? Would it even be possible?

BlueSky

4:51 am on Sep 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I believe the majority of the spam comes from the U.S. and in particular Florida.

marcs

5:15 am on Sep 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Many spammers are indeed based in FL. The actual SPAM is mostly being sent from 200/8, 61/8, 168/8, 211/8 netblocks.

georgeek

5:34 am on Sep 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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E for implementation...

That is too generous - Z for implementation imo.

Governments rarely have a clue what they are doing when it comes to interfering in business and this one is no exception. This is a politically motivated piece of legislation so the fact that it will have no effect on the volume of spam is of no importance to them.

Unsurprisingly when more than one government is involved in drafting laws the results are even more laughable, for example the European Union's Copyright Directive.

creative craig

7:55 am on Sep 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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European Union's Copyright Directive

Good point georgeek :)

Smiley

8:27 am on Sep 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Under the new law, companies will have to get permission from an individual before they can send them an e-mail or text message.

But the regulations do not cover business e-mail addresses, despite some calls for a blanket ban on spam.

If you post your email address on a public view website you are in fact giving permission for anyone to email you, as your contacts already have you email address. Spam is a major problem, especially in the cases ukgimp outlines, but I think we will see this law change with the first court cases.

I'm pleased about the business exception, contacting a business by a thoughtful email in the first instance is not spam and certainly is not worth a £5k fine. The same as cold calling is not illegal, annoying yes, but not illegal.

Smiley

ritch_b

8:58 am on Sep 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm pleased about the business exception...

I'm not and certainly don't consider unsolicited commercial e-mail to be thoughtful! I'm frankly sick & tired of junk mails being sent to numerous works addresses I use - including unique addresses that are only used on WHOIS records, hence have been trawled by someone abusing the WHOIS system. These aren't necessarily addresses I've made public by displaying on a site somewhere and certainly aren't ones to which I've elected that unsolicited mails can be sent.

In the UK I can elect to not receive unsolicited postal mail, unsolicited faxes, unaddressed (to the occupier) mailings & make my telephone number ex-directory. Why shouldn't I be able to remove my e-mail address from junk mailing lists? Granted, legislation would only apply to UK based organisations but it would be a start in any case.

As it stands, the proposed legislation is a well meaning but poorly thought out and worthless piece of paper...but we should be used to such things in the UK.

</soapbox moment>;)

R.

HughMungus

10:40 pm on Sep 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you post your email address on a public view website you are in fact giving permission for anyone to email you, as your contacts already have you email address.

Umm...

Smiley

4:25 pm on Sep 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> Umm...

just another side of the coin and I am sure there are plenty more takes out there. WW is the place to discuss and learn, if we all think and work the same then what's the point?

On a side note I received a business email today, unsolicited, and it because of it a site I run is three times better off.