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Making yourself employable

What should I learn next?

         

roddy

2:21 pm on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't expect I'll ever make a full-time living out of computers. However, over the last few months I've taught myself HTML, CSS and set up and customised a PHPbb forum. I've also become a competent amateur with Fireworks, Flash and Photoshop.

I'm finding this experience interests employers - while they would never be able to employ a full-time web design guy (or guyess) they like the idea of having someone on staff who can do this on a part-time basis - it saves them having to deal with external companies who will probably be more expensive and often less responsive.

Given this, what skills / languages / packages should I look at next? Some kind of scripting? Databases?

Thanks in advance for any ideas . . .

Roddy

dragonlady7

2:30 pm on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That sounds like a pretty good start.
I am one of those poor saps who was hired to do one job with the understanding that I could "handle" the website too.
Well, something I wish I had time to learn is how to handle an Apache server. Just general setting-up, maintenance, and the like. Because our networking guy is another poor sap, a programmer who was hired to program and "handle" the network as well. And, naturally, he has no freaking clue. The webserver doesn't work and it's My Problem, even though it's nothing LIKE My Job.
So I wish I knew, but haven't the time to learn, and am suffering through anyway.
Being aware of W3C accessibility guidelines is also on my wish list-- boss wants to claim compliance because it sounds good, but I have no idea.
Perhaps you could start looking into learning about content management systems as well; they're a big buzz nowadays. I know very little about them, though.
Good luck and let us know what you decide on!

woop01

2:43 pm on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I did the same thing when I was in college. I wanted to be more employable so I started designing web pages just to claim I can do it. The company I finally got on with has the son of a VP designing their website. He’s not bad (or the slightest bit good) and is currently getting an associates degree to get a real IT job some day. However, he comes to me whenever he runs into real problems with the sites.

In the process of developing websites as a learning process I came across some ideas that have really started to pay off. Last month was the first time my personal sites earned more than my ‘real job’. Even when the sites weren't making much they were MUCH more personally rewarding than my real job or helping design the company site.

The moral? If a company isn’t going to hire you as a full-time web guy they’re just going to try to get extra work out of you that they’re not really paying you for. I recommend using what you’ve learned for your own good. It may not pay off for a while but in the long run it will be more rewarding.

mattur

3:34 pm on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'd recommend learning an SQL database and an inline scripting language.

Understanding relational databases is a valuable skill for IT in general, not just web sites. Teamed with a scripting language, a database allows you to add practically any custom functionality to your web site(s).

Any script language will do: once you've learnt one (and, importantly, understand what's happening between the server and the client) it's easy to pick up others :)

Depending on your IT environment, I'd choose either PHP and MySQL or ASP and Access (or, better, ASP and MS SQL Server).

cfx211

5:12 pm on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you have a business sense about you and are good at finding patterns then I would recommend learning SQL and becoming an analyst for a website.

I keep track of all our basic numbers, do segmentation, figure out conversion, and a zillion other things. Its interesting, a lot of puzzle solving, and in short supply.

roddy

10:36 pm on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for all the advice. I think I'll start with php and sql, as that's what my forum runs on so I've tinkered with that a little already.

I'll search for some decent resources for this later - but if anyone want's to recommend any, I'd be grateful (sticky mail if posting the url is against the TOS)

What I forgot to mention is that I speak and read Mandarin Chinese - should get me into a few more niches . . . Something else I should look into is SEO in Chinese - that's got to be a growth market, and while there are plenty of web designers here in Beijing, there aren't many of them capable of working efficently with western design principles - it's all flash and bang, little attention to content.

Roddy

gangstah

12:13 am on Aug 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I was laid off back in May and when I had my resume out all I heard about was .NET this, .NET that. C# was the big thing followed by VB.NET.

I'm an old foggie and made my living with VB and ASP and that's made the transition to C# a little difficult ("okay...now here's how I'd do it in ASP...how the hell do I do it in C#?"), it might be easier for someone newer to pick up something like that when they don't have predisposed code in their head.

SQL is great also.

As for PHP...I've never really seen it catch on in the corporate world...only because (and I'm guessing) conservative businesses are less likely to jump on the Linux / Apache bandwagon and more apt to go with IIS because of corporate deals with MS. That's just my experience and I might be wrong.

Trisha

3:31 pm on Aug 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Roddy,
I have the book PHP and MySQL Web Development by Welling and Thomson. I like it and other people at WW have recommended it in other threads also. It goes through an example step by step of how to set up a CMS system, among other things, which was really helpful to me. I believe O'Reilly has a new PHP/MySQL book out too, I haven't seen it though.

Like woop01 said, you may want to think about how you can make money for yourself with this rather than working for someone else, at least as a long term goal.

I know a tiny bit of Mandarin Chinese, but want to learn more when I have the time again. How did you learn? Are you from China?

roddy

5:00 am on Aug 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok, I'll have a look at what you recommend.

As for learning Chinese - I'm Scottish, but have spent 3 out of the last 5 years in China. I'm currently working in Beijing. I'll sticky you the url of my website which has plenty of (extremely good quality, if I do say so myself) advice.

Roddy