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Website statistics

What does it all mean?

         

zoobie

5:16 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My paid host has 3 stat keepers...among them, Webalizer. But I can't make heads or tails out of the data because I haven't a clue what pages, hits, etc. actually means. I've even tried going to each of their home pages...but there is nothing to be found.

How are we supposed to understand this stuff? Thru osmosis?

AAnnAArchy

6:16 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Do a search for "webalizer help"

martinibuster

6:36 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Unique hits, calendar monthly: Helps gauge the momentum of new vistors hitting your site. Steady or growing uniques are an important gauge of your growth. A slowing or dropping measurement of uniques indicates a future drop in traffic, something that would be need to be addressed; a metric not evidenced from eyeing the daily hits/visitors.

Keywords: Helps determine how relevant your site visitors are. If keywords are vaguely related to your site, then it's garbage traffic- which means you need to clarify the message your site is presenting to the search engines.

If it's relevant to what you are selling or presenting then that means you are presenting the right message to the search engines and that you are attracting the correct audience. Additionally, you can identify the keywords you may need to improve upon. For isntance, if you sell red widgets, but most of your visitors are visiting you for blue widgets, you need to crank out more blue widget pages.

Search engine referrals: identify what search engines are referring the traffic. Each search engine has a demographic suitable to b2c, b2b, etc. Make sure your site is optimized for the appropriate engine, and identify if you aren't attracting enough traffic from one of the more appropriate search engines.

Ink is important to look at, if Yahoo repersents an important demographic, as Ink is expected to play a bigger role in the future.

Anybody else have more ideas?

zoobie

5:47 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok..Thanks. What a bunch of hooey...knowing what times they've visited, what day, hits, pages, how long, etc. Looks like total bloat to me.

All I'm interested in (and I think most of us are) is the unique visits/sites, maybe where they came from, and what spiders have visited...period.

PeterD

6:20 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This is a pretty good introduction to the meaning and limitations of server statistics, and what they can and cannot show:

[analog.cx...]

It's part of the documentation for the stats analysis program Analog, which is freeware and based on a very conservative approach to interpreting server logs.

cornwall

6:24 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> maybe where they came from <<

Unless you know where they came from, you have no idea what is "working" in bringing you traffic.

You need to know also not only which search engines brought you traffic, but what keywords they used to find you.

You can then amend you web site to hover up other key word searches that you may be missing

martinibuster

6:37 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Additionally, you can identify the keywords you may need to improve upon. For isntance, if you sell red widgets, but most of your visitors are visiting you for blue widgets, you need to crank out more blue widget pages.

Whoops! That should read:
if you sell red widgets, but most of your visitors are visiting you for blue widget KEYWORDS, you need to crank out more RED widget pages to address the subject of red widgets.

SlowMove

6:40 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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All I'm interested in (and I think most of us are) is the unique visits/sites, maybe where they came from, and what spiders have visited...period.

from what i've seen, none of the stats programs are perfect. sometimes you need to look at the log files to get the info you need.

zoobie

9:14 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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According to that article posted earlier, it's impossible to count accurately. What's weird is my host has 3...count 'em, 3 seperate stats programs installed. The only possible reason may be for him to keep track of the server load.

txbakers

4:24 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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AFter reading this, I opened my raw log files and don't see anything related to search engine referals, or any referrals at all actually.

I'm on IIS, and using the w3C Extended Log File Format.

There are four choices for IIS logs, which should I use to get referrers and keywords?

peewhy

4:46 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok..Thanks. What a bunch of hooey...knowing what times they've visited, what day, hits, pages, how long, etc. Looks like total bloat to me.

It is very valuable infortmation, take MartiniBuster's post seriously because in time you will appreciate it.

Times of day provide good vistor profiles, what pages they visited is extremely important as is how long thay endured your page - of no one is staying, you may have a problem!

If you consider ir bloat, what are you actually looking for?

zoobie

6:41 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, pages just says they loaded a html page...but since some isp's cache this now, it's all meaningless.

All anybody wants is at least an accurate unique visits/sites count...but since this, too, is being cached, it's all VERY meaningless.

peewhy

7:35 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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All anybody wants is at least an accurate unique visits/sites count...but since this, too, is being cached, it's all VERY meaningless.

I don't think you can put everyone in that pigeon hole. Visits are important but I need to know other activities... then I'm a marketeer, visitor behaviour and profile is an important issue.

You may just need an hit counter?

cornwall

8:05 pm on Jun 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Have a look at

[webmasterworld.com...]

we had a fairly detailed discussion as to what the figures mean

finish_last

1:37 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i think it depends on how you do your content updates.
Simple things like knowing when people are online, and if they return, how often, etc. can tell you how often to update, and to do it during down-time.

As Cornwall says: "You can then amend you web site to hover up other key word searches that you may be missing"

For a more sophisticated analysis, you want to know, of course, how people find you. That, and combined with what they do on their site.

Statistics may or not be interesting. I always find that the process of actually trying to figure out what they mean gives me new ideas, and ways of thinking about my site.

I agree with martinibuster, its important to figure out why people leave, especially if your keywords don't match your content. I think search terms/ keywords are probably the key element to knowing what/ and how people are thinking.

I also use bounce rate (another type of stat). When I make a content change, I monitor my bounce rate to see if people are going further in to my site.