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KPNQWest crisis: Connection Europe to the world slowing down

Millions of european sites to go offline?

         

heini

8:49 am on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The looming bankruptcy of KPNQWest is starting to show effects.
The company operates the 25,000km EuroRings fibre-optic data network connecting 60 European cities.
Through this network many European ISPs are connecting directly with the international networks of Qwest.

Eurorings network is reported to be shut down in 3 months, but apparently it's starting already to get unstable.

Millions of sites in Europe are hosted via KPNQWest. In Germany alone some 30% of all domains are affected.

Related discussions:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/3536.htm [webmasterworld.com]

http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum6/936.htm [webmasterworld.com]

heini

10:03 am on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Though every news site has run stories on it - here are some good starting points:
Europemedia [europemedia.net]
News.com [news.com.com]
Yahoo [story.news.yahoo.com]

EliteWeb

4:13 pm on Jun 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thats worrysome to hear about that. I need caffieene . typing slow, tired...

The network is a well established one, without it someone has the oportunitie to make their business big by doing the bandwidth, however its only a temp thing, couz people will pay higher when their suddenly offline but when they are online and comfortable their cheap :)

I think each site needs its' own server. No need to put 12902 websites on one server (:

heini

10:47 am on Jun 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Update: Heise [heise.de] reports the majority of KPNQwest empolyees have been fired.
The company stated the euro-ring network will remain operable for at least several weeks to come.

KPN, Netherlands telcom giant and majority stockholder nevertheless indicated it would not guarantee operations for more than a couple of days.

brotherhood of LAN

8:54 pm on Jun 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have "heard" news about 2 rather large ISP's failing to pay up for x amount of technology (i really dont know)......where both are threatened to be "turned off"

sorry im vague, a grey area for me based on passing conversation

I read this post the other week and it sounded "big" but didnt get my head round it.

what seems to be the problem in europe???

hstyri

6:08 pm on Jun 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Apparently, KPNQwest's got funding to stay online until the end of June. (That may of course change as the story develops.)

The KPNQwest subsidiary in Norway was sold last week. However, the largest customers left before that happened.

hstyri

1:15 pm on Jun 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ouch, this seems to be the breaking news today:
[big]Ebone may shut down by 1700 CET.[/big] [live.save-ebone.com]

Quoting from the web site's current message:

After some weeks of voluntary service to keep up the network operational and without being paid, we are totally exhausted. If by today at 5pm CET no solution is found, the Ebone network will be shut down.

grnidone

2:33 pm on Jun 14, 2002 (gmt 0)



Welcome to the forums hstyri and thanks for the update.

I cannot believe there has not been a buyer for KPNQWest. I'd think the infrastructure alone be worth buying it.

TallTroll

2:39 pm on Jun 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>> I'd think the infrastructure alone be worth buying it.

1) You'd have to take on the debt too

2) Most service providers are oversupplied with hardware, burdened with crippling debt etc and can't afford it, basically

hstyri

3:01 pm on Jun 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'd think the infrastructure alone be worth buying it.

Most of the fiber infrastructure in Europe isn't lit (it's dark fiber). It's a surplus that's hard to believe.

There may be a second hand marked for used routers of course. ;)

heini

8:00 pm on Jun 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, finally enough money to get the thing working until end of July has arrived.
Imagine - some employees have been working for free, without real breaks, basically against the will of the company...

>buying KPNQWest
the company has had different operatonal units and property. Some of that will most likely get sold easily, with some other parts of the fallen empire it's much harder.
It's anyhow hard to imagine that hightech connection, ebone, should be left to rot in the mud...

martinibuster

8:22 pm on Jun 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The other telecoms/investors are waiting to pick the bones. Why pay $800 million for hardware, customers and debt when you can pick it up debt free for $65 million?

Rumbas

6:47 pm on Jun 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Key European and US firms to bid on KPNQwest network
The UK’s Colt Telecom and Cable & Wireless, Germany’s Deutsche Telekom, Belgacom and American AT&T are all expected to bid for Europe’s largest data network, the source said. KPN, one of KPNQwest’s main owners, may also the join that list.

Source, Europemedia [europemedia.net]

martinibuster

6:58 pm on Jun 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Are they shutting down today or next week?
Trustees for bankrupt European data carrier KPNQwest said they no longer expected to have the funding needed to keep Europe’s largest fibre-optic data network running until the end of the month.

[europemedia.net...]