Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.162.163.181

Forum Moderators: bill

Windows 10 Fall Creators Update to Roll Out October 17

     
4:05 pm on Sep 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

Administrator from GB 

WebmasterWorld Administrator engine is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:May 9, 2000
posts:25290
votes: 691


Microsoft says Windows 10 Fall Creators Update will roll out world-wide from October 17.

I'll make sure i'm not on a metered connection at that time.

[blogs.windows.com...]
5:47 pm on Sept 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

Moderator from US 

WebmasterWorld Administrator keyplyr is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Sept 26, 2001
posts:11524
votes: 702


Another "creators" update?

[webmasterworld.com...]
5:52 pm on Sept 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

Administrator from GB 

WebmasterWorld Administrator engine is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:May 9, 2000
posts:25290
votes: 691


Yeah, the "Fall Creators Update"
8:24 pm on Sept 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

Moderator from US 

WebmasterWorld Administrator keyplyr is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Sept 26, 2001
posts:11524
votes: 702


A friend just bought a Samsung Notebook Pro 9 running Windows 10 Home for about $1k. High end specs w/ the stylus. Handles the 3D Creators Studio programs with no problem at a 3rd of the price I paid for my Surface Pro 4.
9:19 pm on Sept 1, 2017 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from AU 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Aug 22, 2003
posts: 2199
votes: 134


Meanwhile they have slipped in their mysterious "Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems (KB4033637)"

Trying to find what the hell that was about I came across this link at Microsoft:

[answers.microsoft.com ]

The first response from Microsoft to the question "What does Windows 10 update KB4033637 do?" was quite predictable in asking "May we know why you're asking for this specific update?"

This in turn provoked a most sensible reply from "LoneWolf15" which is well worth reading - particularly the early 1990's joke about Micro$oft...

Micro$oft... Don't ask questions, just do as we say, we work in mysterious ways.

I continue to live in hope of one day living long enough to see a sensible and helpful reply from Microsoft.
6:32 am on Sept 2, 2017 (gmt 0)

Moderator from US 

WebmasterWorld Administrator robert_charlton is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Nov 11, 2000
posts:12075
votes: 334


Good heavens... that MS thread referenced in IanCP's post is one of the most discouraging things I've ever read. Sadly, though, it's not just Microsoft. It describes a broad swath of software, going back almost to the days of DOS.

Not meaning to take this off topic, for those unhappy as you all seem to be with Windows 10, if you were building a new machine now, and it had to be Windows compatible, would you go to Windows 10 or stay with Windows 7?

6:52 am on Sept 2, 2017 (gmt 0)

Moderator from US 

WebmasterWorld Administrator keyplyr is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Sept 26, 2001
posts:11524
votes: 702


7 is nothing like 10. Problem is many people just want to hang onto what they know and don't like change.

I love Windows 10. Stable, fast and the safest user-side OS yet.

However IMO to appreciate the potential of Windows 10, you really need to experience it on a device that's built to utilize the features that 10 does so well.

Using 10 on my bare bones desktop doesn't do it justice. It's just a good Windows OS...
*but* Windows 10 ran on my Surface Pro 4 with touchscreen, 3D graphics and the Stylus pen is another story. There are amazing software developed specific for Windows 10.

The Creators Studio is cutting edge. I use it mostly for image and music notation software, but I've seen some of the art and architecture software and it is fantastic.
8:11 am on Sept 2, 2017 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from AU 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Aug 22, 2003
posts: 2199
votes: 134


@Robert
would you go to Windows 10 or stay with Windows 7?

Like all things it depends entirely what you want it to do.

Our friend Keyplyer above just gave us an elegant answer as to why Win 10 plus frills really suits their purposes.

For myself? I could still happily use Win XP Pro with a few updates in some areas, I never used Win 7. Went from XP Pro to Win 8.

My only problem with Win 10 Pro is it causes problems sometimes with other existing software, and even some hardware. A month ago, I wrestled a whole day trying to get a surveillance video camera to work with Win 10. I needed to film some nocturnal wildlife visitors to my front verandah. I don't use it very often. Cut a long story short?

I fired up an old Toshiba Notebook with XP, plugged in a USB video thingy, dredged up old video software on the net, and played around with nearly every driver I could find until one worked [originals lost many moons ago].

It was, as I had hoped the return of Possums, not rats as first feared.

I'm not about to go out and spend serious cash money [hardware/software] just because something doesn't work with Win 10 Pro ...

I've been into electronics for nearly 60 years now, recycling/cannibalising/refurbishing stuff has always been my gig. Microwaves, stoves, refrigerators, CD/DVD players, PC's. Like all Amateur [Ham] Radio operators I'm an inveterate collector of junk. The thrill of being able to bring a discarded appliance back to life, then give it working to someone needy can't be beaten.

For me!

That's the bottom line. For the great number of people I expect the new coming update may well be a godsend with a host of new and exciting features.

For the average punter in the street? Googling something, maybe some email, perhaps Skype family overseas?

They simply don't need all singing/all dancing features. They don't even want to know about Operating System thingies - they're not enthusiasts.

As for Microsoft? Yes well. I have mixed feelings, good and bad. My primary annoyance is as I featured above - that is a typical Microsoft response - I'm convinced their answers are always canned responses. When you finally sometimes get an answer which solves your problem?

Mr Windows happily provides you with a link to one of the many well known Windows Forums on the net - someone else has done the hard yards for them. There you go.

PS: Robert, I still remain in your debt from many years back when you generously provided your time assisting me with an intractable technical problem - I've never forgot it. I've forgotten what the problem was, but never your assistance.
3:43 pm on Sept 13, 2017 (gmt 0)

Administrator from GB 

WebmasterWorld Administrator engine is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:May 9, 2000
posts:25290
votes: 691


That thread over at MS was a painful read. It's as if someone at MS said, "how dare you ask..."

Anyhow, I understand that the Fall Update will include additional privacy settings options, including a privacy statement at setup, and an option to go straight to the individual settings, such as locations, and speech recognition, and others.

There's a new option coming where anything installed from the Microsoft Store will prompt for user permissions.
[zdnet.com...]
11:26 am on Dec 2, 2017 (gmt 0)

Moderator from US 

WebmasterWorld Administrator robert_charlton is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Nov 11, 2000
posts:12075
votes: 334


IanCP - I've been meaning to get back to this thread to thank you for your gracious thanks. I thought I'd best post before the thread expires.

Though I'd only vaguely remembered what the topic was, fortunately I remembered that I'd once told someone on the forum how to use a server header checker to check how a redirect was set up properly, and they were extremely appreciative. I tried searching for [header checker] with your username, and your old thread was at the top.

"Googlebot can't access your site"
Sept 2012
https://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4497999.htm [webmasterworld.com]

I remembered that I felt your pain. Though several advanced members were giving you technically correct answers, they were using proprietary vocabulary that therefore didn't communicate. I've often been in situations similar to yours, getting responses not too unlike the Microsoft answers you describe here. I've spent more than a day trying to find out what a Microsoft patch is supposed to do.

Your situation inspired one of my best responses on WebmasterWorld... and I'm thinking that it may not hurt to remind some advanced members about audience level, so I hope it gets read...

IanCP, I'm going to guess that somewhere you're not understanding some of the technical vocabulary being used here, and that you may not be set up with software to analyze what's going on. Please forgive me if this isn't the case.

Bits of vocabulary can be a steep learning curve, I've found, because many of the people qualified to give you good answers naturally use language that contains terms you're not necessarily familiar with, and I can see where people here might be talking past each other. Let me suggest for now a few things...

I went through it step by step, and you got it immediately.

---

Regarding Windows 10, the new machine I'd envisioned still hasn't been built, so I'm still wondering whether Windows 10 would be ready for prime time. I'd be using 64-bit, but my main issue is that I don't want automated updates until they've been vetted and I can control the time and place. Also, connectivity where I live isn't the greatest. I would be doing lots of "creative" stuff on the machine, but for the most part I would be using dedicated software for it. And I don't want everything uploaded to the cloud, particularly if I start using large graphic files at current bandwidth prices. So, any new thoughts would be appreciated.

11:48 am on Dec 2, 2017 (gmt 0)

Moderator from US 

WebmasterWorld Administrator keyplyr is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Sept 26, 2001
posts:11524
votes: 702


@Robert Charlton

I don't know what people are talking about when they post about unexpected updates stopping their work and other such tales. Windows 10 allows you to update now or later just like every other device.

Also, I don't know where these myths about files being forced into the MS cloud come from either. You don't have to do that.

In fact, I don't use MS cloud services at all. I use Google's cloud so I can sync the files from my Android phone and a tablet but there's nothing in Windows 10 that forces you to use any cloud storage.

There's an app for the MS cloud but you don't have to turn it on or use it. I actually deleted the app.
7:39 pm on Dec 2, 2017 (gmt 0)

Senior Member from AU 

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member Top Contributors Of The Month

joined:Aug 22, 2003
posts: 2199
votes: 134


@Robert
"Googlebot can't access your site"
Sept 2012

Thanks for the trip down memory lane Robert. Would you believe exactly 15 days after that original post on 21st September, 2012 I had a massive heart attack, two ambulances, four paramedics, three different hospitals hanging onto life by a mere thread...

Moral to all that for WebmasterWorld readers?

Have you a back up plan for your family and others to be able to look after, and continue your monetised sites, access to necessary passwords etc....

After having had the necessary bypass operation I walked out of the hospital a week later [in my undies and dressing gown] against all medical advice, instinctively knowing in my mind that one of my sites was in deep trouble...

I was right, my ISP for my original site which includes my original email address, had gone into receivership - eventually I was able to salvage it with minimal financial loss.

Those of us who can remember Farmboy and his more traumatic longer term medical episode where everything was lost...

Never think it can't happen to you - what is your backup plan to protect yourself and family? How far ahead are your site hosting costs paid up for?

Thanks once again Robert, meanwhile don't worry so much about Microsoft and the updates. Personally I don't have a thing on any cloud. A personal choice.

Edit - typo
 

Join The Conversation

Moderators and Top Contributors

Hot Threads This Week

Featured Threads

Free SEO Tools

Hire Expert Members