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aspdaddy

7:02 pm on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well .NET seems to be the choice for MS "textbook style" enterpriise architecture solutions, but for most "real word" solutions, it over complicates and increases the costs.

So when asp is finally phased out, what will be left for the bulk of web developers who just want simple/fast/low cost web soluions.

Other than PHP, what are the other contenders? and which is best?

TheNige

10:36 pm on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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perl, python, ruby, etc.

Not sure what are the best, but I'd probably go with PHP if ASP was not available. I would think though that it would be many years before MS phased it out totally, and even at that time I bet somone could build in the ISAPI handlers and engine for classic ASP into future versions of IIS.

I think that all "Real World" solutions can use ASP.Net. Not complicated if you know what you are doing.

txbakers

10:49 pm on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Not complicated if you know what you are doing

Ah, but there is the rub, my young friend. All us old farts need to learn this over again. I like the flow of ASP as well and am having a little trouble getting as fluent as fast in .NET, especially having to use the VisStudio instead of TextPad.

I think if ever ASP goes away it might be PHP for me.

But I agree that someone will figure out a way to keep it going. Or else I can just keep my W2003 server around forever.

mattglet

1:35 am on Jun 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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txbakers-

You seem like you're in the "I want it now" mode. How long did it take you before you became "fluent" in ASP? How long have you been working with .NET? Of course .NET is going to be a larger learning curve, it's a ton more overwhelming. I see that as a good thing though; more power.

Just be patient. I've been watching your trials and tribulations via your posts on the boards, and I don't want you to give up yet.

TheNige

2:56 am on Jun 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I agree. I worked for many years with just ASP so I had a built up a lot of knowledge....then I did my first project in ASP.Net and I never looked back. I've never found anything that I couldn't do in ASP.Net that I can do in ASP either just as easy or easier....plus all of the other things I could do now.

As to ASP being phased out by MS....there has actually been ChiliSoft ASP out for at least 4 years now, were you can run ASP pages on Linux. The only drawbacks...if they can be called that are problems with it not supporting all the mail objects and MS Access.

txbakers

3:40 am on Jun 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I want it NOW! 8)

I guess it took about two years to get fluent in ASP where I don't have to look up things in the book anymore. I started with Dreamweaver and weaned myself off pretty quickly.

I don't have the luxury of casually learning something at my own pace. I'm fully supporting myself and family through my web business so the faster I get new products coded and working, the faster I get the paycheck.

A major drawback to .NET, I've found (or haven't found!) is that the examples and tutorials are very, very basic and don't come close to showing me what I really envision myself doing. It could be my low end of the learning curve, but I'm not convinced of that.

Still, all joking aside, I think it's worth learning and will get back to it eventually. I have two ASP projects to finish within a month, maybe then I'll get back to my .NET project.

digitalv

3:43 am on Jun 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What makes you guys think ASP is going anywhere? Look how long Perl has been around.

aspdaddy

6:55 am on Jun 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well I still will choose a scripting platform for simple sites. I have learnt a bit of .NET and it is good for web services but for a lot of stuff I do outside the 9-5 its not worth it.

I know Oracle and SQL2K, but still use Access quite a bit. Simplicity is a good thing, why overcompicate a simple problem?

Looking at this strategically, with how MS are trying to define the client/developer marketplace with these technologies, learning a non-MS platform for e-commerce sites has to be a good thing.

Easy_Coder

2:46 am on Jun 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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What makes you guys think ASP is going anywhere

Support for VB was dropped in March, it's only a matter of time...

digitalv

4:06 am on Jun 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Considering programs that ran in MS DOS 3.3 still run under all of the latest versions of Windows should give some indication of how long it takes Microsoft products to be phased out.

ASP isn't going anywhere whether MS provides "support" for it or not.