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Why the Mac are always more expensive?

May be for $218,896,000 of Steve Jobs in the last 3 years

         

Allergic

9:27 pm on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A good average annual pay :
[quote.bloomberg.com...]

Macguru

10:54 pm on Aug 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Good Joke Allergic.

Thanks for pointing us to this other quite biased "article" based on datas when Jobs was finally compensated (and offered a jet) for years of work at Apple without a real salary.

No wonder the guy is hiding behind Equilar for sources...

Speaking of sources, when and were do we have a cold one together? (you are buying) ;)

Now, to answer your original question : "Why the Mac are always more expensive?"

Because the Mac just works.

Allergic

3:17 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If Bloomberg is biaised, probably 95% of the news of financial data are also biaised. Bloomberg is quite a established financial company with good columnists!

Do you also presume he is working for $1 a year for is CEO job for Pixar?

No problem for a cold one... But if this story is take back by the Press tomorrow, you'll pay the first one ;-)))

[edited by: Allergic at 3:44 am (utc) on Aug. 14, 2003]

chiyo

3:23 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nah, less to do with execs pay and product quality and more to do with economies of scale and distribution.

Allergic

3:43 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree Chiyo, but the fact ONE man can make 4,000 times more than a average north american in ONE year shock me a little bit. In the next 2 years it will be a more than a $1 billion overall? It is... immoral!

chiyo

3:51 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Agree that a smart cookie in the US making 1 million times an hour than a farmer in Cambodia working under the hot sun by the sweat of his hands to produce the staff of life always suggests to me something is very wrong with income distribution worldwide. Or even comparing incomes for even pen pushers in the US!

However Jobs surely is one of the true innovators in the driver industry of the information age, more innovative than Gates, but with less business opportunism. He should be one of the highest paid guys in the industry when you think about it - looking just at relativities for the exercise and putting aside morality for the moment.

Allergic

4:42 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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And the unknows researchers guy at the Xerox Parc labs who show to Steve Jobs; the mouse, the Graphic User Interface and the famous garbage can, the interpress langage who contol laser printer, and 3 or 4 more bigs (new) ideas of Steve... Look at the history [prepressure.com]who really put Steve on the map! Theses guy from Palo Alto make how much now?
Sorry but neverbody deserve $200 millions/year!

chiyo

5:04 am on Aug 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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you have a point Allergic. yep the REAL innovators and influencers usually die in poverty...

timster

3:21 pm on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Please consider two things:

1. Jobs brilliantly brought Apple back from the brink of oblivion. He could have just stayed at his paying job (Pixar).

Had he failed to bring Apple back, his pay would have been, what $2.00? He took a risk, and got the reward.

2. The jet is useful to Apple.
Now Steve Jobs can work/relax/rest in comfort on his own jet during business travels. So he should be even more brilliant. Plus, it increases Apple's prestiege to have their boss arrive in style.

It's like a more expensive version of a company car.

timster

3:23 pm on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oh, by the way, the reason Macs are more expensive than PC's is that Macs are better than PC's.

Otherwise, they wouldn't be able the charge more, would they?

MonkeeSage

3:58 pm on Aug 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Macs have a reputation in the grafical design industry for being faster and better (all the 'heavy artillary' at the advertising arts college I attended were G2s). This is a rep that used to be well deserved -- before Jobs came on the scene. Steve just gave Macs pretty colored cases. Well, OK, he did a bit more, but his contribution was mainly in marketing, not functionality. This rep is why Macs sell for so much, imo.

But since PC buses got to 100mHz and above, and stock grafic cards started spewing out megatexels per second, and CPU clocks rose above 500mHz; the old reputation of the Mac as the CG leader has to be questioned.

The fact that a good portion of 3DCG softwares are stricly PC, and almost all 2DCG softwares have versions for both PC and Mac, speaks volumes in itself.

Ps. OSX-64bit (Jaguar) almost makes me want to 'convert' and go buy a G5...almost. ;)

Jordan

Yidaki

8:12 pm on Aug 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Why the Mac are always more expensive?

Just a quick update on the prices: the new PowerMac G5 2 GHz [apple.com] - which is (based on acknowledged benchmark results) faster than a 3 GHZ Pentium 4 (~$3,500) or a Dell 3.06 GHz Dual Xeon (~$3,900) - currently costs $2,999 at the public apple store ... and is occasionally available elsewhere for less than $2,700.

too much information

8:25 pm on Aug 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Allergic

I hope this doesn't start a fight but why is it "immoral" to be so good at a job that you are paid very well for it?

If you are smarter and a much harder worker than your neighbor, wouldn't you expect to command a higher salary?

Explain this to me?

brakthepoet

9:10 pm on Aug 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, I would expect that the mods will delete discussions on the morality of pay rates. And it doesn't really seem applicable to Webmasterworld. Try some philosphy oriented sites for a good discussion on morality and $.

As far as the price of Macs, aren't the Macs pretty specific as far as hardware needed to run? I mean, I can't put OSX on this hodge-podge of hardware that my Windows 98 box runs on, can I? As long as the hardware restrictions remain, the high prices will remain. I would recommend Neal Stephenson's _In the Beginning Was the Command Line_ for an interesting sociological look at operating systems, cost, and future of OSs.