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Panther Release [eweek.com]
<added> I especially loved the Windows advertisement that comes up on the page </added>
Panther Sever [extremetech.com]
My boyfriend bought a laptop around the time 10.2 came out. It had 10.1 on it. And he was given a discount to upgrade. 10.2 cost him something around $20. I'd assume they'll do the same for 10.3... They know which side their bread's buttered on.
Thanks for the heads-up, aaronjf!
Have you seen the new silver 12inch Dell notebooks? How much more blatant can you be? Glad you asked:
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Don't even get me started on BuyMusic! Even the ads are copied!
Technology wise yes, to a large degree you are correct. But, you missed the meaning behind the content. I was reffering to business practices. M$ has charged for every little thing since the begining - out to get as much as they could squeeze from consumers. Up until the last two years, Apple has been a little more giving in the consumer relations. In short Apple is becoming a lot more aggresive.
They probably would offer it for free as an incentive if bandwidth and server maintenance wasn't an ongoing cost for them. They can develop a browser or music software for a set amount and let people download it as much as they like for really no more cost to them. Great incentive to move to Mac. However, to give out free email and hosting would be beneficial at first to sell a machine, but as the years go by and the cost pile up per user, they have to recoup their expenditures. Really, at less than $10 a month the nice integration of .Mac with OS is really a great value.
People are just upset they didn't get a free lunch when they thought they would and they call "Micro-Foul".
The other point might be the development of their own browser, but that comparison doesn't hold water as it was spawned from Explorer for Mac being treated like MS's red-headed step child and never getting the features and updates of the Windows version. They finally just killed the sick dog. Besides, if you don't like Safari all you have to do is drag one icon to the trash and it's gone. No OS integration there.
Apple also used to be very good about only asking people to pay for entirely new system updates, lik from 7- 8 not for 7.1 - 7.9.
I don't think Mac users are neccesarily complaining about not getting a free lunch. In this particular thread we are complaining that they are no longer giving us the free crackers with our lunch we bought.
<added> even more specifically. We were talking about how shady it would be to have customers buy a brand new machine then two weeks later release a new OSv and ask customers to pay for it.</added>
I guess I'm not seeing the entitlement when the release date for Panther, is, well, the release date for Panther. It's not coming out on X date for everyone except you guys who bought a computer X -10 days. Where's the cut off? When you bought your most recent machine? How about when I bought my most recent machine? What about some person who bought one 3 years ago? Why should 1 week be any different than 1 year when the OS is being released on a certain date? Should they suspend all computer sales for a month previous just so people won't have grounds to complain they got "ripped-off" because they made the mistake of buying their machine before the next OS came out? There's always going to be a new OS coming out.
Should people have gotten a free upgrade to a G5 if they bought a G4 1 day before the G5 was available? Should Ford give people 2004 cars for the price of this years models because they bought just before the new models arrived? The logic just does not work.
A lot of Panther was designed to take advangate of the new 64 bit chip and redesigned architecture of the G5. Sure we all know - especially these days and more so in the future - wait three to six months and a new better machine will be available and the current one will drop in price. That is the name of the game in tech especially hardware. I am running on a dual 500 and made the desicion not to get a new machine till a dual 2gig came out. Do I know that an even faster machine will be available six months later, of course. Do I know that the dual 2gig will have a price drop three to six months after I buy it, of course. I just think that when you are dropping 3,000 on a machine it is tacky to ask a customer to pay $X two too four weeks later for the OS that is supposed to go with it. More than anything we are talking about time frame. If the OS was coming out 3 months later and had nothing to do with the particular machine you just dropped a wad of cash on fine, no big deal.
Mac users are die hard fans. Most of us in the past have defended them, bought them, and happily shelled out the extra money to own them. Our choice of course, but... How about saying to your customers thanks for buying our product and being so enthusiastic about it that you rushed out and got one right as they came of the line.
If they had led you to believe you were getting one thing and you got another it wouldn't be shady, it would be out and out disshonest.
Article [appleinsider.com]
Speaking of which has anyone played with The Lacie Ether Disk [lacie.com] yet?
- The G5 is a major upgrade in system architecture, so would require a major revision of an OS. Why would Apple spend all that time upgrading Jaguar when they're replacing it?
- If Panther boxed copies are released a little later than Panther in G5 boxes, that may well be because the installer has to be tested on lots more machines.
But don't let me interrupt the ranting and raving...
I for one would rather they work on getting the new OS completely cooked, rather than pushing it out to market not being fully tested and tweaked. They did that with iSync and it just hasn't worked completely since.
Okay, I can admit when I'm ranting, it just bugs me that every single time Apple releases a new product we hear the same old fussing about how Apple should give out freebies to the unfortunate ones who buy just before new version or models arrive. A phrase comes to mind: "Tough nooggies"
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"The Power Mac G5 runs ... a version of Mac OS X Jaguar specially tuned for the PowerPC G5 processor"
You're also right about "tough noogies." As I have so exquisitely shown, one should do his research before one opens his mouth or wallet.
