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I was kinda horrified to see some screenshots of my work in Safari
that had looked just great in every windows browser I tried.
I hope the lack of competition does not slow down bug fixes.
what is better than using a original apple browser!?
Safari is based off of Konqueror for Linux.
I would like to state clearly that Opera's speed is irrelavant since it doesn't support the array of standards that Mozilla and IE support. The more code in the browser to support standards the slower it will be.
In my opinion Mozilla is the best browser on earth. Fast, Standards compliant and Free.
I think MS is not building IE for Mac anymore because it no longer makes business sense. IE for Mac never helped MS, it never made them profit, it was just a way to keep the Mac as a competitor to MS so that no one could honestly call them a monopoly. It's the same thing they did with Corel/WordPerfect. The company is going downhill, it's their only competitor so they sink in 150 million to keep them afloat.
NGene, totally agree.
As to MS stopping development on standalone IE, I wasn't aware they still made a standalone browser. I'd challenge someone to pull the IE code out of WinXP and still have it boot.
Bundling a browser is something Linux has done for years. What they did to Netscape was above and beyond bundling. There is nothing wrong with bundling.
Mac users should use Mozilla it's a complete browser solution. No need to worry about IE. I use Mozilla everyday on every website. No problems. I use IE only for compliance testing.
Apple has tried to challenge MS with Safari. MS only built IE for Mac because 5 years ago there was no alternative browser with Netscape's recent crippling. Now that Apple wants to stand on it's own with it's own browser, MS has decided to let them.
Is Apple even important anymore. Isn't Linux the real alternative?
I don't think anyone in their right mind would go with XP if they could have X.
XP is the best operating system built by man.
Exit sleep mode. Use Mozilla
XP is the best operating system built by man.
It takes a brave man to say that in a Mac forum!
I would like to state clearly that Opera's speed is irrelavant since it doesn't support the array of standards that Mozilla and IE support. The more code in the browser to support standards the slower it will be.
I'm not sure about Opera on the Mac, but on Windows it supports more standards than any other browser. Yet it remains the fastest browser.
Mozilla is great (I use it all the time) but it has its fair share of bugs and annoyances too.
I believe the goal of Mozilla is the best way forward though, as it is designed to run the same across many computer operating systems. IE has always been Windows based with Mac a distant cousin. They never even updated it to a version 6. Yet it had pixel font enlarging which the Windows version still doesn't.
Microsoft's share of the browser market can only decline now. It'll take years for people to upgrade to the next Windows (codenamed "Longhorn") and receive a new version of IE. By then Opera, Safari and Mozilla will be way ahead.
Microsoft's share of the browser market can only decline now. It'll take years for people to upgrade to the next Windows (codenamed "Longhorn") and receive a new version of IE. By then Opera, Safari and Mozilla will be way ahead.
I agree, and I think that will be good for the net.
- now a new unfimiliar browser
I am sure the MAC is brilliant, but didn't an old Mac ad say "It's not what the computer can do, but what you can do with the computer"...and I don't want to learn something new all over again!
nah, if you've used one browser you've used them all (and you can bring your mouse). It might be comforting, though, to hear "hey the Mac's got IE too". But really I don't see this hurting Apple in any way. To me it's more the question of what Microsoft's up to.
Using it on OSX has been a struggle, though. 5 was okay, but kind of slow, and it only ran on OS9. 6 won't even run on my computer, for some reason.
IE5 for the Mac is not as buggy and insecure as the Windows version, but I've still had things happen like a website inserting its own button in the toolbar. This should not happen on ANY browser!
I'm not surprised that they dropped development, but it does bother me. Many websites use buggy code that only works on IE, especially for secure transactions and online forms. I often have to fire up IE for this purpose. If IE "quirks" evolves, and IE for Mac doesn't, what will we OSX users do? I'm not running Winx on wine, not in a million years, and I only have Mac or Linux at home (since finally Win95 crashed irreparably on me). Does this mean a trip to the nearest Windows internet cafe for important online transactions? (Or at work -- eeek.) Boy, that will make me feel secure! I think I'll just start making trips to the post office instead!
Re: Safari and css -- this annoys me a lot too. Mozilla is better for css, and I do hope Safari catches up. Opera is nice in that it usually just degrades gracefully for css it doesn't support, but Safari does things like make text disappear.
IE also has some issues with css, like the way it just assumes any floating div without a width declaration should be 100%. It's almost impossible to do a truly liquid layout in that environment. I've tried giving a width in em's, but it looks terrible. It's like Microsoft WANTS to make you go back to tables for layout. Argh!
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What is the deal with OmniWeb, anyway? I tried to use it, but it was very slow, and it's not at all up-to-date on standards. I couldn't see any reason why I should use it, and so I don't.
Erm, also, I just remembered that Mozilla has a serious bug in how it handles htpasswords logins. When you log out, it tells you that you've logged out and prompts you to re-enter the password, but if you return to the site you'll see that it has automatically logged you back in! I know this will happen with dmoz.org, and I've had it happen on other websites too. This has actually pushed me to use Safari much more often, and Mozilla a lot less.
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I'm trying hard though... I'm typing this on Safari.
Although Opera is slower... according to the stats, I don't find it slow enough on the PC to stop me from using it. Opera is the best I've used feature wise.
