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Newbie to Web Rings

Whats the deal and do S.E Penalize

         

Dayo_UK

4:27 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)



Ok, bit of a newbie to Webrings - I dont want to join one or start one.

My understanding of Webrings is that related sites link to each other through the ring and the links eventually go back on themselves eg site 1 goes to site 2 etc and back to 1 again.

I therefore I assume (but dont know) that each of the sites in the ring has a link to this webring or has a page on their site that hosts this ring.

Ok - correct me if the above understanding is wrong.

Anyway, someone has put a link to my site on the html page that has the webring located (note not part of the ring but a seperate link) - therefore I am assuming Great - a new link and it may count as multiple links as the web ring is hosted on multiple sites - but I am also thinking will Search Engines just think of this as duplicate pages, therefore duplicate links (As far as Google is concerned they are all PR0) - will this lead to a penalty for my site.

Just for further clarification - I do not link to the ring - so I would guess that I would be OK.

Hope the above makes sense and any re-assurances/advice would be appreciated.

Cheers

Dayo

diddlydazz

5:22 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi Dayo

Personally I would advise to steer well clear of web rings or any other sort of link manipulation.

There are ways of creating webrings without triggering any filters but it is best to avoid them (as filters change ;o) ).

As for the second part of your question, as long as you don't link to them there shouldn't be a problem at all.

hope this helps

Dazz

SlowMove

7:10 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As for the second part of your question, as long as you don't link to them there shouldn't be a problem at all.

Right. Just don't link to "bad neighborhoods". All backlinks are good unless they send you visitors that don't spend money.

Dayo_UK

7:28 pm on Jul 4, 2003 (gmt 0)



Thanks for the reply guys.

Looking again at the link to my site it appears that the web ring is on a link page which has a link to my site aswell and therefore not part of the web ring page.

Not so worried now - I would have been a bit worried if I had multiple backlinks from PR0s which look like duplicate contents.

Thanks Again

Dayo

Thanasus

11:43 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Also webrings typically work off of redirects, so the bots don't even pick up the links anyhow

panic

7:40 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dayo_UK,

Even if you don't link back to them, it can still hurt you bad on Inktomi (not too sure about the others though).

-panic

Thanasus

6:11 am on Jul 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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panic, can you explain? I don't understand why inktomi would hurt you for being linked too from a web ring...

panic

7:03 pm on Jul 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It might classify as a link farm. Link farms are hated by Inktomi (believe me... I know).

Why do they hate it? They say it hurts link relevancy of the sites in their index. More often than not, they just kick the link exchange, along with URL's linking to/from the exchange. When they see that, they just slap the link exchange and all related domains with an editorial action.

To get an editorial action for link farm lifted is a complete pain. A lot of sites with link farms are just "get rich quick" scams, and as you well know, the webmasters of sites like that abandon those domains with the quickness. Knowing that, you might not even get a response from those sites... which in turn means your link still stays on that page. Inktomi wont lift the editorial action until you get your link off of ALL linkfarms.

-panic

Brad

7:16 pm on Jul 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I actually run a topical webring host. It does real good on Ink.

I have yet to see a penalty that can be traced to a webring.

panic

10:37 pm on Jul 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Brad,

Then my guess is that either :

A) Your webring isn't spammy, or
B) You haven't been caught yet.

But believe me... if Ink slaps you with an editorial action for link farm, it ain't pretty!

-panic

Thanasus

7:02 am on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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panic,

so if inktomi sees links on what it deems a sa link farm, and those links point to your site, your site get penalized? If that is the case, then 3rd parties can put your site on link farms and get your penalized.

panic

6:37 pm on Jul 10, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I doubt anyone would do that. Essentially, before Inktomi flags it as part of a link exchange, it would boost their link pop, which in turn, would boost their rankings.

I doubt anyone would pay to have their competitor get more clicks.

-panic