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developing high pr links by creating profiles

High PR links by creating profiles.

     

Top_ranker

7:51 am on Nov 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I was just introduced to a new concept of developing high pr backlinks by just opening profiles and adding your site information on that particular site.

I want to ask the experts out here, if I need to spend time on this , is it worthwhile ot its just crap and waste of time.

Thanks and regards
Mithun Rao

[edited by: martinibuster at 12:33 pm (utc) on Nov. 11, 2009]
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Status_203

11:29 am on Nov 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Firstly, just speculation but I would expect the search engines to be able to identify a inbound link profile made up mainly of profile links.

Secondly, the PR of the homepage is irrelevant. What is the PR of a profile page a few days/weeks/months old? Are the profiles actually crawlable? Are the links nofollowed?

Finally, and many here would disagree with me on this one, I wouldn't do it because it is in no way adding value to the web (as opposed to the established method of contributing *quality* posts with a link in your signature).

topr8

12:46 pm on Nov 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

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>>as opposed to the established method of contributing *quality* posts with a link in your signature

nb. a lot of forums don't serve signatures to the search engines!

brickmarketing

2:42 pm on Nov 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

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It certainly cannot hurt your SEO efforts by having links from a variety of profiles like Twitter or Facebook. At the very least it shows the search engines that you are proactively trying to brand yourself online.

Top_ranker

6:51 am on Nov 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

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hi all,

The links I would be generating would not be completely based on profiles, Secondly all are do follow links. Yes if the pages are crawled by search engines or not is not know. My point is would such an link count to add up the reputation of site , SEO point of view.

Thanks for all the replies.

cangoou

4:01 pm on Nov 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I tried to do this, but found that the main problem is that the profiles are not indexed because the spiders couldn't find a way to your profile. New profiles or tags appear on some popular pages, but they vanish very fast because a lot of other people are submitting tags and profiles. So what do you do about that?

FranticFish

4:28 pm on Nov 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

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You have to be a 'top poster' - and I guess it comes down to investment of time vs rewards. I personally would rather devote efforts to work that stays done, not a link that needs topping up on a weekly or even daily basis.

CainIV

6:07 am on Nov 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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There is value in doing this in my opinion in terms of increasing search engine activity on the website you are promoting, and passing some link juice, so for that reason alone, it makes sense as a 'sub campaign' of a link campaign focused around getting quality 'editorial' links to your website. It's all about diversity, and profile links are one piece of the pie so make sure you have a strong diverse cross section of links in addition to these.

halcyonlost

12:00 am on Nov 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Ahh, I was wondering why I hadn't seen this topic come up yet.

I've been using this method for awhile with good results but you should test it for yourself.

Try and target less competitive keywords and make sure the links are dofollow and can be reached by the SE's.

anallawalla

3:35 am on Nov 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Using profile sites is a common tactic for getting links to sites that would not be able to attract many natural links, but since their theme is not the same as the destination, treat it as a low value link.

cangoou

12:55 pm on Nov 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Try ... and make sure the links are dofollow and can be reached by the SE's.

How do you do that?

Receptional Andy

1:06 pm on Nov 27, 2009 (gmt 0)



I've seen a massive increase in low-grade profile registrations, in an attempt to get a link from a user profile page.

From the types of sites people seem to be doing this on, you aren't getting any benefit (since there will be no links to the user profile other than those you create yourself), it's spam and it is very irritating to have to install mechanisms to ban people doing it.

These are not, incidentally "high pr" links. They're high PR if you believe inheritance from the toolbar's little green bar, when in fact the pages you get listed on have no PR whatsoever.

Finally, some of the people using this as a link building method for clients are leaving a substantial footprint that allows people like me to identify all the sites you use this method for. I'm not in the habit of reporting competitors, but I am in the habit of identifying this type of spam so that others are also able to stop it too.

Marvin Hlavac

9:36 pm on Nov 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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it's spam and it is very irritating to have to install mechanisms to ban people doing it.

I very much agree. On my forum, unless you are logged in, you cannot view user profiles, and neither can search engines. This way there is no point for spammers to register on my forum for the purpose of placing their URL in their user profiles. They still do it, though. But they get banned and submitted to anti-spam service.

CainIV

3:24 am on Nov 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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"From the types of sites people seem to be doing this on, you aren't getting any benefit (since there will be no links to the user profile other than those you create yourself)"

While I do not support this as a legitimate link building practice, I would need to disagree with that statement.

In fact, in several genres I watch involving in health, people utilizing this tactic alone have managed to get single articles written around that topic on article repositories to upper positions.

A check on all backlinks to the article show only profile links, and these are pages that were previously on page 2-5 for the same term.

anallawalla

7:53 am on Nov 28, 2009 (gmt 0)

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To be clear, I think the OP is talking about sites that create a profile page (or display an existing profile page) for your domain when you fill out the entry field. I don't think he is talking about forum user profiles.

The key point is that the user does not have a choice whether a page (and link) is generated. You could do this for all your competitors.

I can't see a search engine giving a penalty for such a link, but at best it can be dealt with by existing relevance factors in the algo, thus it is a very low value link.

Receptional Andy

10:30 am on Nov 28, 2009 (gmt 0)



While I do not support this as a legitimate link building practice, I would need to disagree with that statement.

I guess it is case by case. I've tracked down a high number of people doing this, even down to spreadsheets with lists of all the logins they've created. What I've seen is creating profiles on sites powered by popular Content Management Systems, and using the toolbar PR of the homepage as the "value" of the link.

On the overwhelming majority of those sites, the user profile pages do not get a link unless the user has created content (there's no "user list"). Thus, the "clever" people doing this are then creating their own miniature "link farms" throwing a link at the profiles they've created so that they get the URL indexed, and, presumably, then charge their client for the link.

CainIV

6:15 am on Nov 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Thus, the "clever" people doing this are then creating their own miniature "link farms" throwing a link at the profiles they've created so that they get the URL indexed, and, presumably, then charge their client for the link.

Agreed. Often they point a large number of those at one specific article, then create a hub of articles to magnify the effects of that niche to the client.

It is important to note that there are many places that allow you to create a profile, even if you do not post content.

Receptional Andy

11:34 am on Nov 29, 2009 (gmt 0)



But if the only place that links to the profile URLs is created by the link builder themselves, they gain no external value. They'd get more link value if they linked from their own "link farm" directly. Otherwise, the only possible recipient of external link value is the site they created the profile on!

halcyonlost

7:06 pm on Dec 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

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@Cangoou: There are tools out there that can tell you if a website is nofollow or follow. When I find a profile link, I try and make sure that the member list is visible to the search engine(meaning you can see it if you are logged out).

As dirty as I feel doing this method, it works and it's not like I'm spamming their content saying "buy my crap". Just put together your own list, build the profile links, ping them, and move up the rank.

People have been selling lists of profile links but be careful as most of the links are going dead due to high volumes of spammers all hitting the sites at once.

CainIV

7:15 pm on Dec 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

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But if the only place that links to the profile URLs is created by the link builder themselves, they gain no external value

I don't think this is what the poster or I am saying. What is being said is that gaining inbound links by way of profile page propagation is something that some people are doing because they see results from it. Others further are reducing the direct risk to their websites by pointing the profile urls instead to a single article, and then pointing links from the article to their important pages.

walkman

6:17 pm on Dec 18, 2009 (gmt 0)



If you put your URL on WebmasterWorld profile, why is that bad? Spamming it is not. Spamming is

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