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How is this even possible?

A website is 16 months old, has only 4 back links and a PR of 5?

     
3:03 pm on Apr 9, 2009 (gmt 0)

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There is a website called www.widgetlandscapes.co.uk

It was first registered in february 2008.

It has little or next text on the pages, and almost zero metatag information.

I used backlink watch and found that it has a total of 4 links, all from the company that designed the website.

Yet, this website has a Page rank of 5?

How is this possible?

3:06 pm on Apr 9, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I can only presume this is because the web design company has a page rank of 4-6 on each of the pages linking through to it.

But this is surely ridiculous! If I were a competing gardening company, that has thousands of links and a lesser page rank, I would be furious.

What do other people think?

Thank you

3:09 pm on Apr 9, 2009 (gmt 0)

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A web forum with next to zero users has a page rank of 5 too, just for being linked from the home page of this high page-ranking website design company.

Surely this is not good from Google indexing?

6:33 pm on Apr 9, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Does this website rank over your site(s) or more established sites?

Typically folks don't pay much attention to PR any more. It has kind of become the Alexa of old... it really isn't that important...

We rank above some higher PR sites in our niche for a number of searches... If this new site is ranking very well then that is something to wonder about. If they are not ranking well... don't waste your time worrying about their PR.

Just my 2 cents...

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I agree with maximillianos. Disregard the toolbar. Does the site rank for anything? Ranking and traffic is what counts, with traffic being more important than ranking.
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Im not sure how the site ranks for various keywords, and they are in a different niche to me, but it seems perverse that Google would assign a PR5 rank to a new site, with only 4 links, very little content and not many meta tags. The website is maybe 5 pages in total and only one internal page has a PR.

I do know that business wise, one of the sites is several months old and is billed as a social networking site for businesses. It has only 30 members, and a forum with about 20 posts in total. That would not be a PR5 site IMHO. I have not seen an internal page with any page rank.

I suppose I was a little envious - but it does reveal something interesting about page rank.

Thank you as ever for the comments, and I hope I dont come across as too jealous - I was just really surprised at Google on this one.

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Internal link structure baby, internal link structure.

You can arrange your link structure to give you high index page pagerank with little internal rank or you can have lower index page pagerank and a good amount of internal pagerank.

If the index page links to one category page only and every single page in that category has a link back to the index page you will see this a lot. It's NOT always a good thing either because it means that the pagerank on individual articles is lower and much harder to rank those well with.

4:42 pm on Apr 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

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PR is just for geek street cred now (and juiced PR link sellers).

> Yet, this website has a Page rank of 5? How is this possible?

There could be a glitch that caused the PR5 in this instance. Check back in a few weeks and see if it's still the same. I remember when the left rag Huffington Post first started; it got PR7 in no time.

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Hi there,

I have been musing on the same points in my little niche also. I am not annoyed, I just want to know whats going on. I have come across one site that has ZERO external links but is top in the serps on various contezted keywords.

Can I ask, is the widget site doing any paid advertising ? and could this be influencing his organic results, unfairly ? just a thought..

regards Monker

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3:50 pm on Apr 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Im not sure how the site ranks for various keywords, and they are in a different niche to me, but it seems perverse that Google would assign a PR5 rank to a new site, with only 4 links, very little content and not many meta tags. The website is maybe 5 pages in total and only one internal page has a PR.

take a look at all the pages on the 1st page for those terms; you may find that there are other pages on there in the same boat - re: little to no back links.

Can I ask, is the widget site doing any paid advertising ? and could this be influencing his organic results, unfairly ? just a thought..

the only way that paid advertising could help is if links that are passing equity are followed. in that case somebody's violating google's guidelines.

Buying or selling links that pass PageRank is in violation of Google's webmaster guidelines and can negatively impact a site's ranking in search results.

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2:53 pm on Apr 27, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Youu may not be seeing all the sites backlinks. Meta tags have zero affect on PR. If a pr6-7 website has a run of site link to it the site can get a pr5. Also you can fake PR.
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301 redirect passes PR juice but as far as I know not visible in backlinks, so this can be a reason.