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Jane_Doe

7:55 am on Feb 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Google is pretty good at weeding out duplicates. If you have a syndicated article, all other things being equal do you think it matters if you have 5 sites or 50 sites that have all published your article? Say one of the links is a PR5 home page link and the rest are just assorted low pr sites, some blogs and some scrapers.

After you have the one good link, do you think it matters how many other sites publish, and link back to your site, with the exact same article?

JohnRoy

7:03 pm on Feb 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

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From my reading all over (but not tested) it appears that (unless a higher authority site copies it) the first to publish gets the credit.
I don't think it matters for the worse.
Again, I didn't test so I don't know for sure.

martinibuster

7:55 pm on Feb 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Let's take a look at the links
I think what Jane is getting at is not who gets the publishing credit, but at what point do the links back to your site are devalued to the point where they don't aid the cause. This is like the dmoz clones that link back to you.

I've always been in the more the merrier camp, whether it's dmoz clones or sites replicating your submitted article across their network. If there's no link pop at least there's traffic.

However my understanding is, and I could be mistaken, but unless a page has been manually tweaked, there's going to be some pop, even if it's deprecated, which could be the case. The page hosting the submitted content might not rank, but that's besides the point for this discussion. What matters is the juice flowing from that site.

Some questions to think about
Do you think pages with duplicate content don't pass PR?

If the search engines were to stop a page from passing PR on pages with dupe content, would this damage innocent sites?

Juice
No juice
Deprecated juice?

Jane_Doe

9:06 pm on Feb 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I've always been in the more the merrier camp, whether it's dmoz clones or sites replicating your submitted article across their network. If there's no link pop at least there's traffic.

That's a good point. Some of those other links still bring in traffic. Plus sometimes people copy your article from sites where your article appears, and many honest souls will even keep the links in and working.

The issue is it takes time to do the submissions, so I'm wondering where the point is of diminishing returns, and when my time would be better spent writing a fresh article.

Receptional Andy

9:19 pm on Feb 5, 2009 (gmt 0)



I think there are a few different types of content, with different handling. I believe in most cases the links will pass some benefit, even if this is less than from a "standalone" document.

I think the first separation should be between duplicate documents, and similar ones. And duplicate may not be exact, but is to all intents and purposes an identical document. I believe this type will usually involve HTML as well as textual duplication.

When "exact" (exact enough) duplicates are detected, only one of the document gets the ranking signals and link benefit. But not all duplicates are detected by search engines and such. Canonical URL problems become serious as a direct result of duplicates getting link benefit in their own right.

Similar pages are a different matter. I believe this type usually contains duplicated text or sections of text, but different HTML. As with duplicates, you're unlikely to retrieve more than a handful with a general-purpose search query, but they still get at least some link benefit.

Personally, I'd be unconvinced that link equity necessarily decreases because a document fits a similarity profile (or even a duplicate one). But, I wouldn't be surprised if many article sites had less link equity than might be expected, or were even prevented from passing benefit as a result of large-scale duplication of content available elsewhere.

nealrodriguez

7:30 pm on Feb 6, 2009 (gmt 0)

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i believed link juice used to be accredited for duplicate syndication, for i ranked a site in '06 for a moderately competitive term - the most competitive in its vertical - by mostly getting links posting press releases on a wire service, which typically does the same thing. i tried to do it in '08 as a quick fix, when the site dropped lower on page one: no go. i didn't even get the typical boost in traffic of a few hundred visitors; as if people are more likely now to be press release blind like they are ad blind. it may have been the title, but i ensured i kept it newsworthy.

nealrodriguez

7:33 pm on Feb 6, 2009 (gmt 0)

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as an addendum; i think a better option would be to simply guest post on a relevant a heavily trafficked blog or site and link back to yours; it can drive a few thousand visits, and if the verticals match, maybe some good business.