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8:32 pm on Dec 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

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if you have the final say on where you have your link on an outside website where would you choose?

Footer?
links page?
every page?
menu?
5 pages?
10 pages?

I think you get where im going with this now! Maybe not all the sites are going to be relevant sites...

what are your thoughts? ...

10:44 am on Dec 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

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>>>Because SEOs like me would report you for having sitewide text link ad...

You are correct that some SEOs will file a report. However, anyone who creates a quality content site knows that bloggers link to sites they like. Visit any blog, they're linking sitewide to all kinds of quality websites. That's why something like that is difficult to automate with an algo.

High quality websites attract a wide range of links, some of which are sitewides from blogs. These kinds of sites that generate unencouraged links are the kinds all search engines want to display. Any site that is so good it generates citations from forums, news sites, blogs, wikis and other kinds of sites are quality sites. Being in several sitewides is not an SEO footprint.

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You are correct that some SEOs will file a report. However, anyone who creates a quality content site knows that bloggers link to sites they like. Visit any blog, they're linking sitewide to all kinds of quality websites.

Quality sites buy TLAs too so I am not sure that argument holds water. Most sitewide links I see on competitors backlink lists are TLAs and I have yet to see a site selling TLAs that does it subtly, if people did, I wouldn't have such a personal issue with them as a IM technique.

Like I said though, just because I report it doesn't mean Google does anything with that information (yet). I have been reporting paid links ever since the feature came out in WMT and nought has happened to the cheats buying TLAs as far as I can see.

But I don't expect Google to stop doing nothing for long ;)

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cheats

It's not cheating. this isn't grade school. It's risk assessment, and if you don't take that attitude, all your going to do is lose.

Google's done nothing about paid links in an awful long time. I disagree that they're going to do nothing for long - I think you're going to see it working for quite a long time into the future. I've moved away from buying links as much as I can, but only because I'm risk averse.

As a wise friend of mine pointed out, Google doesn't care about paid links. they care about the SERPS. And if they're managing to provide quality, relevant results in the framework of paid links, why would they care? Of course, they wouldn't. The fact is, most of the serps, including the ones with paid link sites ranking, are fine for users. Paid links being extremely difficult to detect, and in todays environment where even Google is cutting back, why would they invest more effort into this? They won't.

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>>>Quality sites buy TLAs too

Quality sites do not have to. You need to raise the bar on what you consider quality.

For instance, you mentioned article directories for backlinks. Quality sites do not engage in article directory submissions. If that's what you think then you need to raise the bar on what you consider quality. An article directory backlink is a definite SEO footprint.

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6:28 pm on Dec 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I have found away to get potential partners on board for these 1 way links.

I think having a link on the home pages will be of more benefit to me. With a small paragraph.

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Home page links...?

This always baffled me.

Who the heck gives out home page links, other than blog-like CMS systems that might do it by default or maybe news sites?

My home page is MY home page. You want home page links, build your own homepage.

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Quality sites do not have to. You need to raise the bar on what you consider quality.

I didn't say they had to, just that they did. My judgement on quality doesn't need any assistance, thanks.

a wise friend of mine pointed out, Google doesn't care about paid links. they care about the SERPS. And if they're managing to provide quality, relevant results in the framework of paid links, why would they care? Of course, they wouldn't. The fact is, most of the serps, including the ones with paid link sites ranking, are fine for users. Paid links being extremely difficult to detect, and in todays environment where even Google is cutting back, why would they invest more effort into this? They won't.

Of course the SERPs are the most important thing, but if you are telling me that TLAs etc. don't dirty the water of the SERPs then you are blind or not doing enough monitorng of your competitors.

And paid links for PR are gaming the system and against Googles TOS.

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Well, you keep hoping, and your competitors will keep ranking. Counting on Google to 'clean up the serps' for your benefit is not a strategy that works.
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Who says I'm hoping? Most SEOs who go down the route of buying links have obviously reached the limit of their skills. I prefer to work onsite magic and link build in an "ethical" manner. If my clients want to buy links (and some ask) I tell them the truth: You can get the traffic in much more effective ways: Anybody can throw money at a problem.
6:37 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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In-content link, on a highly cited and linked to inner page topically related, with proper Titles and meta description, in content, 2nd or 3rd paragraph.

Squarely in between only two other links - Wikipedia, for the same topic, and About.com

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I think the algo is mostly for search results pages 2 onwards. Page 1 seems to be filtered by humans all too often.

Google Algo to human employee: "Alert: there is a new site on page one for the keyword widgets, go check it out!" seems very plausible to me.

The end message, build for humans.

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>> I dont think Google or any other major search engine would penalize you by others linking habbit. If it was that easy, competitors could easily shut you down, right?

Shhh, don't tell everyone...

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tootricky, site wide links don't need to be paid for.
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Yeah I know, I didn't explain my thought process very well, sorry: If I look in the back links of a competitor and see a sitewide link or a number of links off the same domain then I always check to see if it is a TLA: It is quite easy to find out if a site is selling links on TLA (other link selling sites are available :P). All you need is an account on said site and a bit of time to search through the targeted keywords and code snippets.
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Placing outgoing links depends on the content, they should perfectly matched with the content where they appears else you can keep them in as footer links.
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Sory, but like iam a new i have some doubts.

When you talk about SERPs you minning about search results i suppose.

martinibuster what is the mining for "algo" ? the spanish mining ?

TLA is a site that sells links ?

What is TOS ? Googles "TOS"

Thanks alot.

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SERPs = Search Engine Results Pages

ALGO = Algorithm. A set of computer instructions for accomplishing a given task. In this case it's for ranking web pages. More information here [infolab.stanford.edu].

TLA is a site that sells links.

Google's TOS = That's actually not a correct way to reference what they mean. What they mean is Google's Quality Guidelines [google.com]

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TLA means "text link ads" generically as well as referring to a specific site that sells them.
TOS generally means "terms of service".
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