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Did I waste my time with high PR free directories?

         

Melquisedec

5:30 am on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)



I have a small business, mainly B2B. I surf most of those thousands of free directories available now a days. I ended up choosing about 100 with a PR between 3 and 6. I used to be a PR-0, now I'm PR-2, but I still not in the top 50 pages of my category on any search engine. Did I waste my time suscribing to them?

JesperFJ

9:32 am on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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The PageRank itself has very little influence on your ranking when user do specific searches in the engines. If you want to rank for the word Widgets, make sure that Widgets is part of the anchor text of the links you get.

Furthermore, if you have a subpage that ranks for Widget, this page could have a PageRank of 0 although the frontpage has PageRank 2. Make sure that inbound links for Widget goes directly to the appropriate subpage for Widget.

surrealillusions

11:07 am on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Going back to the original directory question..yes they help to some extent, but you shouldn't rely on them. By all means get some links from directories, most noticeably ones like dmoz and yahoo (although yahoo does cost for business sites and dmoz takes a while), but you need to concentrate on getting some 'real' links, from other websites that link to your competitors, links that would benefit both your site and the site your getting a link from.

Hope that helps

:)

Quadrille

12:42 pm on Apr 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If you gave reciproacl links to those directories, delete them, and your PR (for what that's worth - not a lot), will almost certainly rise.

It is very unwise to assess directories on PR alone, and even less wise EVER to post reciprocal links to directories.

Stick to Quality directories, and you will get a 'kick start' - which you seem to have got. Then move on ...

Remember Quadrille's Oft-Quoted Sixth Law:

Never submit to directories; submit to Quality Directories - and know the difference

afaik

6:55 pm on Apr 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

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by Quality Directories, do you mean human edited ones? Do clarify please.

Quadrille

10:49 pm on Apr 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

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- evidence of human editing
- few (preferably no) sites in inappropiate categories
- no obvious spam sites
- no request for reciprocal links (not even a hint!)

... and a few more.

But if you look at a Quality directory, having seen a few score cr*p ones, you'll know when you see it!

Rosalind

10:30 am on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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- evidence of human editing
- few (preferably no) sites in inappropiate categories
- no obvious spam sites
- no request for reciprocal links (not even a hint!)

- Little link rot
- Sites well categorised, so you don't find 250 pages of sites under one huge, broad category such as "travel".
- Unique design, because this is a sign that someone cares about the directory
- Many directories have a page of "latest links", which can give you an indication of how recently it was edited and whether it's still being actively maintained.

Learning Never Ends

11:46 am on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Melquisedec

In my perspective, link building is a tough game now days, you have to be very smart while doing it, search engine can easily counter the artificially inflated links.

Anyways, the bottom line is that aggressive PR building practices are actually harming the websites these days,
I suggest you that go for relevant one way link building with different titles and description and yes don’t forget to embed the potential keywords in title and descriptions.

Always keep in mind that link must look natural.. i know it is easy to say but difficult to do cause I have been doing since 98 and seen lot of changes.

[edited by: Learning_Never_Ends at 11:54 am (utc) on April 25, 2008]

bilalseo

4:00 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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In my point of view, yes you are wasting your time totally. Nowadays google is more intellegent than the past few years. You can not get high SE Lisiting by adding your site into these stupid directories. If you want to get top 10 SE listing, you have to first make your content user friendly not even google friendly. If the text is user friendly, it automatically become google friendly. So you just need to worry about your content, as content is always a king. Besides, you can get better links from social networks site, social bookmarking sites, from ezines and if you are willing to go for silver hat, different blogs would be the best option.

In the end, google gives no respect to the directories specially aiming paid links and or the links created artificially. Please read the google guidelines and also visit google webmaster area where you can see paid link reporting, link spamming reporting, etc.

thanks,

bilal

Quadrille

9:07 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I have no disagreement with the previous two posters as a generalisation - but Quality directories still have a serious SEO role. The trick is to know the difference between a Quality directory and a cr*p one - that's a serious distinction.

bilalseo

9:52 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Yes.. you are right Quardrille.. even we can not leave or forget domoz, yahoo directory (paid) and msn as well. But I have analyzed that even in after 2002 domoz got absoulte reputation from the people and appericated by the search engines, but now it has no worth to any search engine while giving them rank. You can see a site with only one year domain age has got first place in google, why? it is just bcz it has unique content and fair seo copywriting. So directories in these days is no more alive.

You often heard that webmasters offers seo friendly web directories. Have you ever experienced what that means? they meant that these directories and their categories will be followed by a link with follow tag instead of nofollow. But google can eaisly read such inflated links and can eaisly extracted from. So I again submitted that If you want to get pure SE listing, then you have to struggle in making unique content.

RSS feeds, ATOMs, and Social bookmarking is a choice of smart people:)and I personally recommended the same.by the experts. I used such techniques on my clients websites and got favorable results.

Thanks,

Bilal

Quadrille

11:42 pm on Apr 25, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I'm still not disagreeing, but I'm still maintaining that Quality Directories have an seo role.

If you have a decent site, there is nowhere better to get a kick start.

RSS feeds, ATOMs, and Social bookmarking all have a role - but mostly will have very, very small seo value. For a genuinely good site, you'll not lose anything by submitting to a quality directory. And you may gain a lot.

SEO is a long-term activity; farting around with "web 2.0" (yecch!) has very, very little long term value.

bilalseo

6:13 pm on May 2, 2008 (gmt 0)

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yes you are right absoultely no doubt, all sayings are perfectly true.

freelistfool

3:58 am on May 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Look for niche directories that actually get some traffic from the search engines. Start with directories in your niche with a good Alexa rating then search google on some of their page elements (title, description, h1 tags) to see if they rank. You'll get some hits from these directories and probably some SEO value too.

CainIV

7:26 am on May 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I have no disagreement with the previous two posters as a generalisation - but Quality directories still have a serious SEO role. The trick is to know the difference between a Quality directory and a cr*p one - that's a serious distinction.

Well said and very accurate Quadrille. There are still directories out there worth being in, but less than I can count on my fingers and toes :)

My advice is to think 'Trust', and then determine how a directory would become trusted in Google (domain age, inbound links, types and quality of links, etc)

Those directories are always worth being listed in.