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Outbound links - devalued with a nofollow?

         

apauto

3:47 am on Sep 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If I have outbound links tagged with a nofollow, will that not give me the credit either?

There are some articles I'd like to link to, but they have no page rank, and with my industry being so competitive, I don't want to pass any link juice to anyone. I'd rather have a nofollow, when I do link... but will this not give me the credit from the SE's for OBLs?

Thanks!

Quadrille

11:09 am on Sep 5, 2007 (gmt 0)

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That's right.

There's a balance; you can choose the benefit of nofollow, or the benefit of linking. But you can't have it both ways :)

gmac17

3:41 pm on Sep 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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it's a tricky issue to manage.

one of my sites recently had an article on my subject in a major magazine. I linked to the article but I added a nofollow because the way G has been acting lately a single article on a respected site will sometimes rank for my term.

If the #1 site in the serp (mine) suddenly linked to it they might be ahead of me in a week or two. It's like linking to wikipedia...don't do it.

Go60Guy

3:56 pm on Sep 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It's like linking to wikipedia...don't do it.

Why not? You can use "rel='nofollow'" on your link to Wiki. Having outbound links to authority/trusted sites on a page is supposed to stimulate a loving attitude from the Google algos, so we've been told.

trakkerguy

5:26 pm on Sep 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Having outbound links to authority/trusted sites on a page is supposed to stimulate a loving attitude from the Google algos, so we've been told

But thats exactly the question the OP had and quadrille answered. We now know the nofollow means G really won't acknowledge the link and you won't get credit for the outbound...

Go60Guy

6:31 pm on Sep 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I'm not convinced of that. "nofollow" doesn't mean no follow, just that pr will not be passed. I've never heard that Google will not take the link with the tag to an authority site into account in evaluating a page. If there's support for this, I'd like to see it.

idolw

6:57 pm on Sep 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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There are some articles I'd like to link to, but they have no page rank, and with my industry being so competitive, I don't want to pass any link juice to anyone.

why don't you link to them then?
what's your tight niche that leak of PR would take you down?
i don't believe it

jimbeetle

7:28 pm on Sep 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I'm not convinced of that. "nofollow" doesn't mean no follow, just that pr will not be passed. I've never heard that Google will not take the link with the tag to an authority site into account in evaluating a page. If there's support for this, I'd like to see it.

From this WebmasterWorld thread [webmasterworld.com].
Matt Cutts:
for Google, nofollow'ed links are dropped out of our link graph; we don't even use such links for discovery.

As far as G is concerned those nofollowed links don't exist.

Go60Guy

11:37 pm on Sep 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Well, I've never seen it put that way. It runs opposite to a lot of expert opinion I've seen to the contrary. Good to hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

Hmm... I wonder, though, why pages like privacy and contact on some of my sites get indexed by G even though all links to them carry the the tag. And, sometimes they seem to rank near the top on a site search. And I don't think they're drawing ibls.

jimbeetle

2:18 am on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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When did you nofollow those links? If Google indexed them before the nofollow it can take up to a year for those pages to drop out of the index.

pageoneresults

3:49 am on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hmm... I wonder, though, why pages like privacy and contact on some of my sites get indexed by G even though all links to them carry the the tag. And, sometimes they seem to rank near the top on a site search. And I don't think they're drawing ibls.

Using the nofollow for what you are attempting to do is not going to produce the results you are expecting.

You'll need to drop a robots meta tag of "none" or "nonindex, nofollow" on those pages which will then keep them out of the SERPs.

Keep in mind that there is a very strong chance that your links are being regurgitated elsewhere without the nofollow attribute. That's why I feel it is important to control this aspect of the bots at the page level and not at the link level.

If you ask me, many are distorting the use of the nofollow attribute and its going to come back and haunt everyone at some point in time, mark my words. All those sites with nofollow now have "tracking devices" installed on them. What a great way for Google to identify those in the know. ;)

Go60Guy

6:07 am on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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When did you nofollow those links? If Google indexed them before the nofollow it can take up to a year for those pages to drop out of the index.

I've been adding the tags as a matter of course before a site goes live.

The only reason I've been doing it is to minimize pr bleed. But, it seems this might not be a such a good ploy from what PageOne is saying. I'm a little confused now to say the least.

Go60Guy

4:41 pm on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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There's no stigma to using nofollow, even on your own internal links

This appears in the excerpt of Matt Cutts' statement about nofollow. So, I would query whether there really are any negative consequences in the offing from using the tag as has been suggested.

ken_b

5:03 pm on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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If you ask me, many are distorting the use of the nofollow attribute and its going to come back and haunt everyone at some point in time, mark my words.

I agree whole heartedly with that.

And I suspect that this following comment warrants a lot of caution.

...we don't even use such links for discovery.

jimbeetle

6:14 pm on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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This appears in the excerpt of Matt Cutts' statement about nofollow. So, I would query whether there really are any negative consequences in the offing from using the tag as has been suggested.

Okay, there's no stigma, but it still ain't the proper way to do it. Those links have probably already been picked up by Yahoo and are in the wild somewhere so there's still always a chance for them to get back 'round to the big G anyway.

One other thought I had when reading a post somewhere else: For folks who use Google for site search or AdSense for search this is definitely not the way to go. Visitors searching for [terms of service], [shipping information], [address], [contact info], etc., would leave your site very disappointed.

One other reason not to use nofollow in this manner is that it [url=http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/3444034.htm#msg3444297]might not actually work[/i]the way Matt stated.

Go60Guy

10:14 pm on Sep 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I'd just like to say that this has been an enlightening thread. In truth, I believe the conventional wisdom about the using "nofollow" tag in hyperlinks is not at all in keeping with what's been expressed here. Thanks all for straightening me out and alerting us to this new pronouncement by Matt Cutts.