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I have a new website to build links.
My PR is 0 now. Nobody want to do links with a new website. How to start?
I have submitted to a lot of free directories, seems no use.
Any one help?
Thanks
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Once you have done this start linking with sites that are related to your domain. The best way to exchange link with other sites is to view each site and then fill either their link exchange form or email them using the address provided on their site.
Hope this will help you.
Best Regards
But, It's very time consuming. I have serarched many related site on Google and very hard to find one have such kind of forms. And I tried to contact them using the email on the site. But no body replied.
May be they are not interested in exchanging links with ta PR 0 website, or they do not need to do so...
Confusing...
Find some communities that enjoy your topic and join them and contribute to their sites, in time you'll notice a positive effect on your site too especially if you can leave a link to your site in a signature.
If your site offers unique original quality content, you will find sites willing to exchange links with you even if your PR is currently zero.
Other options are paid directories and paid links. Whatever method you choose, keep your linking decisions relevant and useful for your end user.
I have put a related free directory on my new website. May be here is the interesting rescource. But waiting for search engine to crawl. Hope it will be well known in the future and bring much traffic.
Yeah, I have heard forum signature for many times, but never do it. Now, I should start to have a try.
Again, thanks all for your good suggestion.
Any more? All are appreciated.
I believe a PR0 relevant page gives you more value than a PR5 non-relevant page.
"Submit to DMOZ"
Seems very slow. I have submitted many times, but never approved. I don't know why. It has been 2 months since the last submission.
"I believe a PR0 relevant page gives you more value than a PR5 non-relevant page."
Yeah, very good tip. This is the first time I heard about this. I just know content related is very important, but not so important. I need take more concern on content, not always pursue for PR.
Thanks again.
Always go take a look at every site you link to. Nothing beats the human eye and brain at making decisions.
I've gone through this with several sites. I'm going through it right now with a site I launched just three weeks ago. It has no page rank at all.
The webmasters who look at your PR0 site right now and refuse to exchange links are dolts. They don't see the value of exchanging with a site that's in their niche. And they also don't realize that your site is going to increase in PR.
The links pages on one of my sites have a PR of 4. I still remember some webmasters who were particularly rude when I asked for reciprocal links. And I've had the satisfaction of refusing them, reminding them that they refused me when my site had no PR.
Well if you care about traffic you care about what google thinks,if you don't care about traffic then, eh, you might not care about what google thinks.
1) Don't pay for backlinks EVER! There are thousands of high PR sites that will give you a link for free. Digg, Netscape, Newsvine etc..
2) Directory Submission is Ok
3) Social Bookmarking GREAT IDEA!
4) Maybe find an online magazine in your niche and ask if you can write articles for them if they let you link back to your site from that article (most will say yes).
5) Start your own online magazine about your market, make 2-3 stories per week and submit the stories to social bookmarking sites
6) Start A blog on blogger do the same as #5
7) DON'T EXCHANGE LINKS EVER!
8) Start a link directory, it might take years to get it to be popular but you can submit your own stuff to it.
9) Squidoo Make Lenses about your niche, link back to your self.
That should get you a few 100 - 1000 back links.
It’s just wrong to fool people into thinking the link building process is that simple, and I think we all secretly know it’s not.
Actually it's a waste of time. You need tons of cash just to get one started, and even then nobody will link to it, this won't get you millions of links just because you feel it's a good idea. One has to know the magazine industry inside out to make this work, and even then chances are it will fail.
The idea must be watertight or it will fail.
I'm not sure why people think its an expensive endeavor to build back links.
>> It’s just wrong to fool people into thinking the link building process is that simple, and I think we all secretly know it’s not.
Building back links is simple.
>> Actually it's a waste of time. You need tons of cash just to get one started, and even then nobody will link to it, this won't get you millions of links just because you feel it's a good idea.
I never said millions, I guess it depends on what market you want to go after, if you want to hit page 1 for "Mortgage" you are going to need big phat pockets, plain and simple. None of the techniques listed here will get you on the front page of Viagra or Mortgage. But I'm not sure that original post was asking for that. I dominate all local searches in my industry, I'm also on the front page of Google for "<keyword> consulting" for all my top keywords. I didn't buy one link. I have about 10k sites that link back to me, and I've had numerous front page stories on Digg and use other content orientated techniques which have other webmasters link back to me, took me about 3 months to get a ton of sites to link back to me and start hitting the front page of Google for searches with over 12million results.
>> One has to know the magazine industry inside out to make this work, and even then chances are it will fail.
This is not true, I know in the major metro city I live in there are two major magazines that will let you write articles for them for free and will post them in their print magazine and online all with back links.
I think its wrong to convince people that building backlinks is a waste of time and should cost you money. Building a few thousand backlinks should take no longer then a week once you search the internet for some sites to drop you link and build a little bit of a technique.
The main poster is at a PR of 0 and wants some sites to link back to him, all the posts in this thread are valid ways to get free backlinks on some high PR sites.
Building a few thousand backlinks should take no longer then a week once you search the internet for some sites to drop you link and build a little bit of a technique.
A week! You using an automated bot then? - but even if you are, you won't get even 500 links in 7 days. Also doing so is seen to be unpopular with the engines.
Er, it takes years to build the sort of links you claim. So lets say, 1000 links per week, k - so that works out to be about 52,000 per year. But you said "a few thousand", so what maybe 3000 a week? - fine so that's 156,000 for the year. Na I don't think most sites are capable of doing that, maybe only 2% of sites have done this.
That's one heck of a links campaign and the added difficulty with expecting every single one of these sites just simply giving you a link back. Nope, can't be done just based on the sheer workload involved, never mind an incredible amount of luck and kindness. Oh and don't forget the time factors involved too, which is the greatest barrier to this failing.
I'd say even with the press fully behind you, this isn't possible, and as I've done this - I can speak with a lot of experience and common sense. The most links I ever got was about 50'000, but it took me years to get those, and no way was I getting even 100 per week.
Thousands of links per week - yeah, I wish lol.
I'm also not talking about "Asking" any webmasters for links, there are a ton of ways to generate backlinks, how many back links do you think you get from ONE front page digg article? Hundreds if not thousands.
Think about it, maybe its the content of the sites you run, I also never said 1k links per week, but in your first week you should be able to have a few hundred to 1k links back to your website, directories, blogs, etc... ALL manually. I also never said it wasn't time consuming but if you design a site and spend a week submitting back links you can hit the 1k mark, even the 500 mark pretty quick.
Also, once you develop your network of sites you should have a few sites with a few hundred to maybe even 1k pages indexed, simply adding your link to these sites is a good way to generate back links, and a lot of back links.
Also ever think about developing a template for lets say WP and have it link back to your site? Thats an easy way to get a lot of back links. That is just one example of ways to get back links and generate traffic.. There are 100s of others, you have to think outside the box, there is more then just emailing sites asking for a backlink.
I also never said right off the bat, but lets say you spend a month or two figuring out ways to get 100 back links per month per "method".
Lets say:
method 1 = Build WP Template
method 2 = Build Joomla Template
method 3 = Build Oswd Template
method 4 = Social Bookmarking
method 5 = One Squidoo Site
Lets just say you have 10 good ways to generate 100 links per week or what ever just do that same thing for each site... maybe I mis spoke and should have said "1k submissions or ways" to get 1k back links.
You are right not all links are approved over night, although a lot of methods don't require any links to be approved.
There are also a lot of ways to get "spam" sites to scrape your content and link back to you, thats a GREAT way IMO to get backlinks and know deep down inside you didn't run one BH method.
And as I suggested earlier by building a good on topic blog and posting 2-3 articles per week, over a year thats over 100 pages, it would be easy to add a new site to that blog and have 100 new back links, oh and did I mention your own link directory, make a lot of categories, I have directory sites with 300-400 pages indexed, it isn't too hard to add on link to the "design" and get a few hundred new back links.
My suggestions might take a bit of time, no where near a year and will generate a lot of backlinks.
I thought that was incredible, so I started checking the linking sites. Hmmm...no links pages.
Then I realized what the competitor had done. He'd created a number of very useful calculators for a specific industry niche, and had offered them free to anyone who wanted to copy the code. (Of course, all of the javascript comes from a protected file on his site, so the code can't be modified).
And, at the bottom of each calculator is a link that says "courtesy of somesite.com."
Great idea.
My first web design company at 18.
I'd rather take advice from someone with almost 10 years in the industry then someone who is still buying links after 5.
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Yeah, very good tips. Thanks.But, It's very time consuming. I have serarched many related site on Google and very hard to find one have such kind of forms. And I tried to contact them using the email on the site. But no body replied.
May be they are not interested in exchanging links with ta PR 0 website, or they do not need to do so...
Confusing...
I have a simple rule, if an outbound link will add value for my visitors then I put it in. I always tell the other webmaster and if he gives me a return link then thats a bonus.
I get a decent proportion of my traffic from links and rank higher than some of the sites that I link to on their own names. That gives me some "drive by" traffic but they all get a chance to click on my Adsense ads.
Think of those calculators referred to earlier in the thread.
As an example, we have a site that still ranks poorly. It is getting about 1500 page views a day. Only 5% of that traffic is from SE referrals. But, I find many referrals such as:
webmail.aol.com/#*$!xx/aim/en-us/Mail/DisplayMessage.aspx
us.#*$!x.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter
xx.email.myway.com/msg_read.php
That is a pretty good sign that the site is getting some attention. Links will come...
Much talk about building links, yeah, fine, very ego boosting and all that jazz - just pointless unless visitors buy.
We can all talk big, but fact is, (and this is a proven thing here) - much time is spent (and wasted) on getting links. Now very few sites bother to advertise effectively or generate enough, if any press coverage, so noone will know, or should I say, not enough people know about these 'sites' (and I use the term loosely).
This is a major major mistake! If only a few thousand people know a site exists, then that isn't enough traffic visiting in order to convert. Little cash flow coming IN, spells disaster, and then faliure.
You need sales and not links at the early stage. You have to spend money to make money, and a bunch of links is useless without those spending customers, and a business will either stand still - or fail.
Ok, this is what you SHOULD be doing:
1. Hire a PR agency - possible costs are £2000 - £3000 for a basic campaign for a start-up (this is how you will be judged by the public. Not what you think of your site)
This (if done properly) will generate significant 'buzz' and give you something to work with. Even so this will not be easy, as you will find out.
2. While the effects of the release is at it's maturity, begin the link building with targeted sites only! You will need these links when the news about your site declines and interest goes elsewhere, and it will.
3. If the idea is good enough, the sales will come easily enough, but you still need more ideas for the site and to keep interest up. So to get more links requires more site development and LESS written content. Er, more functionality that delievers ROI for consumers is a must, as you will need to impress and keep in the minds of visitors and clients.
If you can do this correctly, your business will be a success. But as the years advance, the links decline, sad, but true. Other methods are needed to counter this effect besides link exchange, and I really feel that one-ways are virtually an impossibility.
So think sales first, and links second. Cashflow is crucial to your survivial, - you can always get link exchanges later on, but getting cash is a priority, because without it - you aren't a business anyway.
A website that makes little or no cash isn't a business.
