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I've been following SEO related forum threads in various forums, regularly. I am also a freelancer SEO consultant. In recent days, a lot of hullabaloo is going on in the search engine marketing industry. Especially, introduction of LSI (Latent Semantic Index) has disturbed the whole SEO scenario. Other SEO experts claims that whatever campaigning strategy you adopt does not have any value, until they are extremely relevant to each other.
Though I advice my clients for mix linking (i.e. back links from articles submission, forum submission, blog submission, reciprocal, three way as well as directory submission.) They have got enough success in getting back links from every possible sources, but
how one can get one-way links from theme related directories?
Is there any concept like "theme-related directories"?
Is there any SEO theme related directories?
[edited by: martinibuster at 8:28 am (utc) on May 3, 2007]
[edit reason] Removed commercial solicitation [/edit]
Unfortunately, it's very success enticed the big players to charge hefty fees, which I believe gives them a bad name, but a few have survived and do very well. There are quite a few still left charging pretty high fees for little in return, and selection of where to stick your link and how much to pay is vital.
Niche is the way to go here, although some of the general ones are worth checking out if they are established.
I rarely use them myself, as I find the time taken to fill out the submit form, isn't worth the traffic one can send me. Case in point:- I used Kellysearch one time and they only sent me 9 visitors in 6 months, so proof that the free entries aren't that great, and highlights the sudden surge in adspace being sold on the free results pages in engines.
Lots of talk on forums about getting the link for PR help, but that's advice for pagerank chasers, and there is more to a website than PR. Do directories help sites in the serps - Might do if the directory is held in high esteem, but this is upto the search engines to decide.
But if you want to rack up your link count for entertainment value, then directories can help do that.
Value would depend on each directory, how it's constructed, pleasing to the eye, will people use it:
- how established is it
- part of a group
- does it advertise
- is it serious
- directory could be a scam to sell on email addresses
- what does it do with contact information
- how does it advertise it's clients
A lot of this is just common sense, but I advise to look before you leap.
how one can get one-way links from theme related directories?
Type 'directories' or 'directory list' or addurl, submit url, add link etc - you'll soon find directories, don't worry.
[edited by: Helpinghand at 9:59 pm (utc) on May 3, 2007]
I've been a avid reader of this forum an others for a while an that term appears to have missed me,
An are you really asking about the existence or otherwise of niche or theme directories?
Or are you stating that you believe that it might be difficult to get listed in those niche directories that you are aware off?
There a number of extremely widely known directory listing services, whose identity, one imagines you would either be converant with or be able to locate, on the web,
As for people who don't like directories, might I ask , how many degrees of difference do you have between a directory an,,,,,,, yahoo, or google, or msn search engines
They're directories too you know
As for people who don't like directories, might I ask , how many degrees of difference do you have between a directory an,,,,,,, yahoo, or google, or msn search engines
Tough question - tough to give a totally accurate answer.
At this time, search engines rule, that is to say they are the first places people will go to, to get information - they are starting points, and very good ones at that.
But for accuracy, they are not great, considering the amount of cash these monsters generate, I feel a better service is required to satisfy needs.
It's true that a few big names started life as directories eg: Yahoo, then developed into a search engine, and finally we have portal sites which are all singing, all dancing things, which work on maximum return visitor retention.
Once a search engine is developed along side a directory, the search side of things will take over as the dominant feature - as search is where the money is and is what information seekers demand. Unfortunately, the directories that first got the companies noticed, now takes a back seat, which is kind of sad, and we now have a world of search eg: Metas, bots and portals.
But basically anything that searches, can be called a search engine, the main difference is engines send out and collect information automatically, where as directories don't - info is hand inputted (no robot).
The problem with SE's is time, the time it takes to perform a search. I'll give you an example, I was looking for a PC, and refused to pay £800 for one, so considered getting it elsewhere, but the place I wanted to find, although very searchable, but was spread out all over the web.
I didn't have 2 hours to waste searching for 20 PC suppliers, then visit 20 sites and then spend another few hours contacting each supplier to finally decide where to buy. So I created my own computer resource which solves that problem, not just for me but for others too.
So it's true that Search engines are only good for starting searches, they aren't good at narrowing down a search, as nothing beats the human management touch a directory brings, and in my view is what makes directories superior. Then again a directory can't search the entire web, so we are back to the search engine as a starting point again.
Unfortunately directories get little press attention and search engines do. People like big engines, which may stem from 'big is better' viewpoints, and as advertising ROI, is probably correct - but it's a big web out there and so much of it is unseen, and I guess directories could play a large part in indexing it all. I also feel there are too many general directories, which says to me that nobody wants to index the specialised information that is so badly needed.
I could talk about this forever, but it requires people to build these mega resources, to take action to make the web a better place, and my feeling is many don't have the time or money or bottle to take the risk and perform this massive undertaking and is would be a huge task for even 200 portals - so we have a major problem still agreed?
It might be interesting to see if this is tackled in the next few years, but I won't stick my neck out in certainty.
[edited by: Helpinghand at 2:55 pm (utc) on May 4, 2007]
Yup, you are absolutely right! Human brain does not have any other substitution. Despite so many technical deficiency, search engine have taken the prize and praise from every body against directories. Directories have so many limitations. We can create huge list of sites for a directory, but we can not create as big as of a search engine index, can we?
And so far human mind compartibility of technology, it's simply impossible. But technology can achieve this feat up to some extend. I think launch of "Semantic Web" is an primary attempt to realize this concept.
Any ways!
Thanks for your feedbacks!
Any old link will not do - and for search engines to love us goes way beyond mere links, even targeted linking, even content, it's the something special that is required and I believe is the key towards one-ways, but not completely.
Directories are pretty loose, when it comes to getting one-ways. Desperate for backfill, many will accept okayish sites that improve their search capacity.
Some charge for one-ways, but can still pick up a few thousand freebies, so it's worth pursuing a fair few of these, er, in short and at this stage of link building - quality is NOT the desired result here. Result is to accumulate links for the engines to follow, collect site info and index you. Quality one-ways come much later, much later...
It's not a case of directories approaching and asking, as they rarely do that, and it's not necessary anyway. All is needed is to run a search and submit your site, then bingo - one way links to your site.
Any old link will not do - and for search engines to love us goes way beyond mere links, even targeted linking, even content, it's the something special that is required and I believe is the key towards one-ways, but not completely.
Can anyone explain something more about it? So far as one-way link building procedures are concerned, some of the popular linking strategies are:
Have I missed something?
Directory links
are very good links to get. They are one-ways that count for a lot. It's even better if you can locate targeted directories eg: Car directory that accepts car type links.
Article Links
Be careful about doing this as it's difficult determining which sites are respectable. Too easy to set up an article directory and claim yourself as an authority, and there have been quite a few new sites offering article services, and IMO, feel this 'area of authority' is too well covered by professional companies already for others to stand a chance.
Thus any link placed is pretty worthless compared to other sources.
Forum Submission
Much spam involved here, making it difficult to get links placed. Forums are less inclined to allow links, as this encourages false membership just to post sales pitches.
Even if you find a suitable forum that allows posting of urls and sales messages, it's unlikely that enough traffic is gained to be able to turn this into sales. In any case, this method is very time-consuming and better use of time can be made elsewhere.
Forums are information resources and never really been link dumps, it's not why they are created.
Blog Submission
Too much of this happening and much spam for it to be truly useful.
Bookmarking
Yes - this works very well. This is really for portal sites, and you can be pretty sure that when a ton of people bookmark a site, each bookmark is like a vote, someone is bookmarking it to return at a later date. I don't think anyone bookmarks bad sites or sites they don't intend on visiting again.
Yes, bookmarking rocks!
Be careful about doing this as it's difficult determining which sites are respectable. Too easy to set up an article directory and claim yourself as an authority, and there have been quite a few new sites offering article services, and IMO, feel this 'area of authority' is too well covered by professional companies already for others to stand a chance.
I did not catch this. I think the better will be the following strategy that we adopt for directory filtration. As we check the "C" for choosing unique and valuable directory sites, can we do the same with the article sites?
If you have any other procedure for this please don't forget advise?
As we check the "C" for choosing unique and valuable directory sites...
"C" suggests the C class IP specification.
Link Spamming.
Got one of these sent to me the other day, I couldn't hit the delete key fast enough.
What is LSI?
centime - Sorry to take a while to answer your question, but the link to one of the primary resources on LSI has been broken for a while, and it's taken a while to recreate the content on another site.
Here's a description of Latent Semantic Indexing [webmasterwoman.com] in a tutorial that includes the orginal NITLE article, Patterns in Unstructured Data, by Clara Yu, John Cuadrado, Maciej Ceglowski, and J. Scott Payne....
Latent semantic indexing adds an important step to the document indexing process. In addition to recording which keywords a document contains, the method examines the document collection as a whole, to see which other documents contain some of those same words. LSI considers documents that have many words in common to be semantically close, and ones with few words in common to be semantically distant.
There's also a 2004 WebmasterWorld thread on the subject that linked to the original article. The link in post one is still broken but will probably soon be fixed to reference the same source I link to above.
Latent Semantic Indexing
[webmasterworld.com...]
[edited by: Robert_Charlton at 6:32 am (utc) on May 10, 2007]
Thanks for your valuable effort for explaining sharing useful information on
Latent Semantic Index.But I would like to remind you all that our discussion is all about
how one can get one-way links from theme related directories?.... Is there any SEO theme related directories?
Is that really the type of visitor you need? If it is then fine. But don't just grab at links simply because they are free or one ways - think about quality traffic, you want traffic who will buy.
Think before wildly submitting to directories because someone told you to - I made that mistake before, and it cost me in targeted visitors, and profit too.
Everyone seems hell bent on chasing links, but to what end? - the glorification and personal satisfaction of a green bar or high ranking in some search engine? What about traffic - what about sales, as this is what it's all about.
A bunch of one-way links may be a good talking point down the pub, but if these links fail to send targeted traffic, what's the point.
