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Too Proud to Beg for Links!

There has to be a better way.

         

truezeta

5:04 am on Sep 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The Wiki post got me thinking about link development and lately I have tried to be proactive in this area. The problem is, I don't like or want to beg anyone for a link. Is that wrong? I have joined some link exchanges but, to be honest, the sites on these exchanges are garbage. People are requesting links that aren't even remotely on topic to my site. Since I've joined, I've had about 5 sites request a link almost everyday and each time I say NO because their site is garbage and I don't think it would benefit my reader's any.

I don't want to take the easy way out and develop some random link page that has links on it from sites unrelated to my content. It seems if you want to get ahead on the Internet you have to stoop to low levels (i.e. accept links from UGLY - OFF-topic sites).

That's the way, I feel anyway. I just am feeling frustrated right now. I brought my domain July 05 and went live Nov/Dec 05. It has been almost a year and I don't get the amount of traffic (I feel) I should get, nor do I have enough back links. I have tried AdWords, press releases, link requests, but I still seem to be missing the key ingredient to make my site an Internet success. I know most people want a successful Internet site for money, but I really didn't start my site for this purpose.

I am trying to market it as I should, but things just don't seem to be working out so well. I am not satisfied with the results so far this past year.

What should I do to get better links? Should I settle and accept any link with high PR without being on topic or not? Should I just wait and let my site with GREAT ;~) content collect dust?

Please advise. :-(

Car_Guy

5:15 am on Sep 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If it was me, first I'd get rid of any links to junk sites, and anything else that might hurt the site's credibility.

Then, assuming your site has good, original content and really makes its visitors' time there well-spent, I'd start trading links with other quality sites that are related. Add a link to them and then tell them where it is and ask them to take a look at your site and consider adding one in return. I hate doing it too. But ya gotta do it.

truezeta

5:25 am on Sep 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Car_Guy, I will work on doing that more. I'm just feeling a little disillusioned at the moment. Who knew link trading could be so hard? Oh wait...the pros on WW. :~)

Car_Guy

5:48 am on Sep 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I really think it's important to sever any ties with any of the "anything goes" link exchange programs. Get rid of it all.

Anything that's tacky, remove it.

If you're credible, eventually you pretty much gotta get *somewhere*.

And if it doesn't work out, standing in line at the food bank is less humiliating when you have a clean conscience.

martinibuster

5:50 am on Sep 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Don't beg. Work.
Have you thought of giving something away in exchange for a link?
Aaron Wall developed then gave a script last year featuring a link to my blog everytime someone publishes it live on their site (thanks Aaron!)

Have you considered literally working for those links?
Check out your craigslist and see if anybody needs a web redesign, and tell them you'll do it in exchange for a link.

There are more ways to work for a link.

Quadrille

12:06 pm on Sep 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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And don't forget to get quality lnks by submitting your site to Quality Directories.

Ultimately the best source of links is the quality of the site; if it's good in its niche and people find it useful, they'll link.

That won't be enough in highly competitive areas - but it's still the best start in life for any site.

vite_rts

12:26 pm on Sep 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi truezeta

It might be a good Idea to tell these experienced chaps what your actual traffic is in terms of , uniques per day,

Plus how many links do you actually have as recorded by say yahoo link checker

Plus are you a forum, blog, info site,,

I say this cos perhaps you are where you should be, an I tell you I've seen sites with up to 3000 links outranked in the serps by sites with as few as 200 links

Personally, I am just 4 months into systematic SEO so I canna make any recomendation other than the above

DXL

6:26 am on Sep 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

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At least 95% of the link requests I get from people are for absolutely worthless links. If I want quality links, I have to seek out quality related sites, add their link, and then contact them with something that doesn't come off as a canned request.

If you want quality links, you have to work for them.

nimish_rulz

11:34 am on Sep 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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In Short its a tuff #*$!....nd it takes time as well...browsing the incoming link request aint tht easy.

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cnvi

1:17 pm on Sep 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have found when requesting a link exchange with a site highly relevant to mine, a one or two sentence email works best. Webmasters appreciate short concise requests that take no more than 5 seconds to consider. An email that is multi-paragraphs long with lots of criteria and requirements is more likely to be deleted quickly.

julinho

10:48 pm on Sep 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Should I just wait and let my site with GREAT ;~) content collect dust?

If you indeed have GREAT content, there are certainly many people who WANT to link to it.

Check out the back links of your competitors, try to spot the ones who linked to them thanks to the quality (not because of link schemes), then introduce yourself and your site and ask for a link.

Sometimes I contact professors in Universities mentioning an article I wrote, ask them to be kind enough to take a look at the article and consider linking to it; not rarely, not only do they link, but they thank me for bringing the content to their attention.

greenleaves

7:25 pm on Sep 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You can send your great content to article publishing sites, with the condition you get a link back.

You can create a tool that people can use, those get lots of links if it is useful.

If you have authority, you can give away aproval logos. Just design a logo "This Site is aproved as Top [industry name] Site". It takes time to review the top players of your field then give away these seals to a select number of sites. You will be surpriced as to how many people will ad that logo to the navigation of their site; conveniently giving you site wide links that everyone is proud of.

greenleaves

7:25 pm on Sep 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You can send your great content to article publishing sites, with the condition you get a link back.

You can create a tool that people can use, those get lots of links if it is useful.

If you have authority, you can give away aproval logos. Just design a logo "This Site is aproved as Top [industry name] Site". It takes time to review the top players of your field then give away these seals to a select number of sites. You will be surpriced as to how many people will ad that logo to the navigation of their site; conveniently giving you site wide links that everyone is proud of.

truezeta

8:25 pm on Sep 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Vite_rts, my site is informational, I only average 100 uniques a day :~( Depending on the tool used, I have between 200-700 backlinks.

I have tried the article publishing websites and haven't really seen any major results.

I have looked at "competitors" backlinks and frankly would not want to place these links on my site.

Maybe my expectations are too high when it comes to links and I need to lower them a little. It appears everyone else has.

timster

8:34 pm on Oct 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have looked at "competitors" backlinks and frankly would not want to place these links on my site.

Just because you would not link to a given site does not mean you can't point out your fine site to that webmaster.

I'm guessing Google et. al. like it when a site's inbound and outbound links do not match up perfectly.

vite_rts

11:25 pm on Oct 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi Truezeta

This if you're reading this, have you considered the possibility that your site, the apple of your eye, is getting the traffic its getting

Because, thats all its worth,

We all tend to believe our site is the best thing possible, but that cannot be true cos only 1 site can be best, then all the others stack up behind that site,

me, I am always finding some site that does something better than mine, an this hurts as I am obliged to bite the bullet and re jig my site,

Okay, i know people say don't change your site completely too often, but if its not doing well?

dastuff

3:15 pm on Oct 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There's always free directories but whats more important...

I wouldn't think of it as being to proud to ask for link exchanges.. Find sites that truly benefit your own, and then exchange with them. For example, if you run a celebrity gallery then a celebrity wallpapers or blog site could be ideal.. Yes it's somewhat competition, but it's not exactly like your site... And a backlink from a similar site genre is good in a SE's eyes (personification to the max heh).