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Link Matchmaker Services

Good experience or bad experience?

         

silverbytes

3:20 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I tried some [link matchmaker services], though I think this is a good one, others were really awfull. Even in this case that I think is a good experience most of contacted sites didn't reply wether I put or not a link to them.
Do you have good experiences using this or other similar kind of link sites?

[edited by: martinibuster at 6:44 pm (utc) on Jan. 30, 2006]
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rkhare

3:51 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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and be ready to get penalized by google

silverbytes

4:18 am on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There's nothing wrong in using sites like that. Webmasters manually accept or deny the exchange and most of sites are very good. They have pr 4-3 too what means google didn't penalize anything.

martinibuster

6:03 am on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>means google didn't penalize anything.

Fwiw, I've heard from many webmasters who initially have done well with link matchmaking services, only to subsequently lose their rankings or suffered a banning in Yahoo and/or Google.

[edited by: martinibuster at 7:04 am (utc) on Jan. 31, 2006]

silverbytes

7:00 am on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Reciprocal link exchange has nothing wrong. The service I mentioned is just a place where you publish your website and if someone contact you and you decide to link back is your choice. How can that hurt your site?
Do you think reciprocal link exchange hurts?
What fact may Google penalize?
I don't see reasons behind those paranoids...

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silverbytes

3:00 pm on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I must say that sites participating are doing good and have decent page rank. Don't see the difference with manually search websites to contact for reciprocal links and register your site there to be found and find other quality websites...

martinibuster

5:54 pm on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Don't see the difference with manually search websites to contact for reciprocal links and register your site there to be found and find other quality websites...

1: It creates a cluster of sites all linking with each other. In a link analysis of the web looking for clusters, the members of these services are easy to spot by the search engines.

2: Reciprocal linking also creates clusters, but they're not closed clusters.

3: If you rank well because of these services, it is within the realm of possibilities that your competitors will file a spam report on you, which I think happens to a lot of people (competitors love to keep the playing feel even, don't they?).

I don't have anything against these services, but you should be honest with yourself about what you're getting into, and the possible consequences.

Don't see the difference...

There's a difference in the way they look, many members have had their rankings lost specifically from using these services, the search engines spam fighters don't like them. There are huge differences.

silverbytes

7:43 pm on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Ok you consider leaving those is the right way.
What about reciprocal linking? If you don't do it your competitors will and everybody agrees they are important for rankings.
What do you think about it?

martinibuster

8:27 pm on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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My opinion is that in moderation it's fine, especially if you're doing it with quality websites. When it can become problematic is when you start to have a lot of link pages.

From my conversations with people from the search engines, the thing I heard the most, is that they didn't feel a large reciprocal links section was anything useful for the user.

So you do the math: If the search engines feel that something about your website is useless for their users, what does that mean?

silverbytes

10:22 pm on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Sound reasonable but the facts show me that competitors doing so goes great. And if you don't they will take that advantage. Sites that get one way links because it's goodness are too few.

martinibuster

10:30 pm on Jan 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>>>but the facts show me competitors doing so goes great.

Fwiw, I've heard from many webmasters who initially have done well with link matchmaking services, only to subsequently lose their rankings or suffered a banning in Yahoo and/or Google.

I believe you 100% that they're doing well at this time. However, because a competitor is doing well at the moment with something is not a valid reason to participate in something that may cause a negative long term effect on your website.

I have a number of clients that came to me because they were burned by using these services. Whether they got caught by the algo or a spam report, it's anyone's guess.

And it's a pain to rehabilitate these sites because you will need to have a hand check to get back in. Now you're in a situation where the little dodgy things you could get away with under the eye of the algo is coming under the scrutiny of an actual person, and your site now has to be REALLY clean to get back in.

silverbytes

3:02 pm on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Don't you think Google would be more explicit about it if they hate reciprocal linking?
And I'm not talking about garbage sites with large directories. I'm talking of decent content sites that wants to be related to others.
Sine 1 way linking is so hard to get, I think reciprocal linkin is a general rule and Google must know that.
BTW what do you suggest as strategy for survive?