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Looking at the terms,i think that each site will need about 25 inbound links.
As well as linking some existing sites to each of these 100 (though not in large groups), what would be the best way to interlink the sites so as to increase their position in the SERPS as well as avoiding penalties?
Also - should i interlink them at once or over days,weeks or months to avoid "sandboxing"?
I can spread them across 10 C Classes.
All theories welcome!
<edit - not sure about the 100 links pages though (!)>
Wouldnt the links be more valueable coming from other sites? The whois records, nameservers and ips are different after all...
And you don't want to use the same 80 foreign domains to link to each of your 100 sites, you need to mix that up as well.
Creating heavily cross-linked networks of sites is playing with disaster.
Im thinking of linking them in a manner that no 2 sites ever share exactly the same incoming links.
Site 1 would link to sites 2-21
Site 2 would link to sites 3-22
So, each site gets 20 links
Would this cause a penalty do you think?
NO. You will get far more value from internal anchor providing you also get inbounds.
Ok - lets say i have 1000 pages of content. Whats the optimal number of sites to put this on - just one site?
There is one person I know who has 20 almost identical sites, sellign the same stuff. He interlinked them and they've been up for more than a year.
They all have different IPs and target different sets of keywords. All of them have links pages with unique link exchanges and exchanges among them.
Well kind of :P Im just interested to find a network like this. Perhaps you could tell me what link pattern he uses then?
1 links to 2 and 3
2 links to 3 and 4
3 links to 1 and 4
4 links to 1 and 2
All links have different anchor text. And sites different incoming links from out of network sites.
Forgot to add - there are two information sites ont he subject that are considered authority that have links to all of his sites and some competitor sites as well.
i would put incominglinks from different sites into each of them too to get the pr going
if I was you, I would first have my sites' incoming links recognized by spiders and then interlink
If i am actually 10 people and each of me has 10 sites, then should we not link to each other?
Thats bascially what you are saying. There is no point in sites linking to one another?
These sites will have different whois records, nameservers, hosting, so how could having some of them link to some others do any harm?
Isnt that what google likes and how it functions?
You will probably get a lot more juice by having 1000 pages on one site than one hundred 10-page sites.
Also keep in mind that the search engines skew their preferences from time to time. Sometimes the megasites are on top, and sometimes the microsites are it.
Personally, I think you have your strategy reversed - rather than having 100 sites trying to stuff one keyword niche, I think you'd be better off having an "authoritative hub" (ie megasite/directory) that links to offsite resources (your own site network as well as other sites that have on-target quality content).
something like this:
Widgets.com
- polishing widgets
--- polish-widgets.net (yours)
--- site.gov/widget-polish-law.html
--- site.edu/widget-polishing-department/polish.html- buffing widgets
--- buffing-widgets.com (yours)
--- widget-buffing.com (competitor)
--- county-government.state.us/county-buffing-ordinance/
You do that with your site with 100 indepth categories and fleshed out content, you will be getting links in no-time flat and tons of referrals for all kinds of terms as your hub gains "authority" status.
I have had lots of success with 5/10 page sites in the past and have had to go and gather lnks for them from other sites.
This is why i am considering this "amateurish" approach as you call it.
I have enough sites to give each of them individual PR.
I can tell you that for big terms its easier to rank highly with a top level domain than with a sub page. Now subdomains might be a different matter...
If i am actually 10 people and each of me has 10 sites
The pivotal issue isn't who owns which sites (or appears to), it's that you need to get past the "closed network of links" web footprint. You need to build a web presence which can't just be dismissed as membership in a mutual admiration society.
Forgot to add - there are two information sites ont he subject that are considered authority that have links to all of his sites
Bingo.
You will probably get a lot more juice by having 1000 pages on one site than one hundred 10-page sites.
I'll have to argue that. If you target a specific set of keywords with each site, you will get better rankings with index.html (php,asp,whatever) than with an interior page if two had the same amount of links comming in and if two were optimised.
The backside of it ofcourse that if you have a large site it looks presentable and more trustworthy to the customer. But if you're just spamming with affiliate links or some other type of advertising scheme, it should not matter.
Art
Forgot to add - there are two information sites ont he subject that are considered authority that have links to all of his sites
Bingo.
buckworks, those two are part of his network as well ;)
If you can get links from other unique sites all the better. Try to avoid reciprocal links. When asking for links, link to their site from a different one then the one they link back to you.
and...
Take ogletrees comments with a grain of salt...
[edited by: martinibuster at 9:51 pm (utc) on Oct. 11, 2004]
[edit reason] Edited for spelling. [/edit]
Thanks - this is pretty much what i was expecting to hear.
I have a whole stock of salt so its always interesting to hear peoples opinions, even if they are not always expressed in the best of manners.
Thanks for your help funandgames.
There is one person I know who has 20 almost identical sites, sellign the same stuff. He interlinked them and they've been up for more than a year.They all have different IPs and target different sets of keywords. All of them have links pages with unique link exchanges and exchanges among them.
I would think that the fact that they're 'up' and with pr is because of their unique link exchanges, and not because of the interlinking. The interliking in this case if 'just another inbound', vs the primary (or only one).
www.allaboutwidgets.com
www.buywidgets.com
then
www.bluewidgets.com
www.redwidgets.com
then
www.shinybluewidgets.com
etc...
His idea is that 3 of his sites will appear for each search term. He is thinking that with a page on shiny blue widgets in the main site, a similar page on the second tier site and then a full domain dedicated to the same keyword that all 3 will appear together, which is highly unlikely.
They are also all hosted together so I think I'm going to advise that he bunches them all into the one site and gets some inbounds before he kills the whole lot! In my opinion he could make a great site based on the whole themed pyramid structure.
Have I made the right decision do you think?
Also, should I suggest that he puts a 301 redirect on all his other domains to the main one, or just trash them?
Thanks in advance!
