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I'm all out of link partners...

how do I find more?

         

hdpt00

2:36 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)



I've looked on here for every trick in the book to find new link partners, "keyword" + "add url" and backlinking my competition type of stuff and now, after emailing 4,500 webmasters in my first round I am unsure how to find more link partners.

My main competitor is showing about 600 backlinks from google which I know isn't that much. I am wondering what you have to do to start getting in the 1,000+ backlinks from google or even from yahoo.

I am talking about 1,000 different sites linking to me, not getting a site-wide link on 1,000 pages.

I am also only looking for free links, be it reciprocal or non reciprocal.

Any suggestions or help is greatly appreciated!

martinibuster

12:04 am on Oct 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have sites that rank extremely well in difficult areas without "good links". That is proof you don't need them.

That is proof you don't currently need them.

SlyOldDog

6:38 am on Oct 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Of course. The world might end tomorrow :)

chrisnrae

2:26 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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SlyOldDog: "I have sites that rank extremely well in difficult areas without "good links". That is proof you don't need them."

I never said it couldn't be done with only crap links or only reciprocal links. Either are quite doable. If you get enough anchor text, it doesn't currently (key word being currently) matter where they come from IF you can get enough of them.

I said that a site with better links can beat a site with more links. Proof - I have quite a few sites beating out competing sites even though they have thousands more backlinks than me (some have tens of thousands more if you use Y for the BL search) for top positions on competitive SERPs. It's a long term strategy.

SlyOldDog

4:42 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps some of those competing sites you are beating out have thousands of links from a single URL?

chrisnrae

5:23 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Nope. They usually have way more variation in their backlinks as far as # of domains linking to them than I do in mine - the players anyway ;). Some are spammers, some massive recip guys.

One guy I've studied real well cause he's a heavy cross linker, blog spammer and recip guy all in one and hes managed to keep good ranks for about 18 months now (impressive from what I've seen in this SERP over the years) - he has way, way, way more backlinks (and his site is about 15 times the size of mine) than I do and I still beat him out for lots of terms.

Hardwood Guy

6:41 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"I still beat him out for lots of terms"

Could be that he doesn't mix up his text like you do and relies on a standard repitive "best widgets around" type anchor text?

stretch_dog

6:44 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps the best approach would be an "all inclusive" one....

-Search out and incorporate topic related reciprocal and non-reciprocal link exchanges
-Submit to all the major directory services
-Submit to as many on-topic specialized directories as you find
-Incorporate both high PR back links as well as low PR back links
-Incorporate on topic as well as off topic back links
-Sign up and participate in a service such as "link it forward" to acquire back links
-Perhaps even buy a few back links
-Provide (contextual) out going links to on-topic authority sites on as many pages as is appropriate

Use a variety of "main" kw related anchor text for back links c/w descriptive text whenever possible...

Include a proportionately large number of contextual link exchanges, as well as contextual internal navigation... when linking related pages.

By using such an "all inclusive" approach, you are covering all bases and are less likely to be pegged and penalized in some fashion by a search engine algorithm.

stretch dog... : -))~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

chrisnrae

7:06 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"Could be that he doesn't mix up his text like you do"

He actually has great variation in the anchors. I do have variation in my anchors - but, he would have way more for each anchor than I do, if what I've seen is any indication. He also has more variation in general, again, from what I've seen. His site is pretty impressive.

stretch_dog

7:47 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Theoretically, the se's want natural back linking, that is why i suggest a variety of types and methods of acquiring bl's. As well as varied anchor text and surrounding descriptive text.

Perhaps the key is "I still beat him out for lots of terms."

Maybe he's not going after the specific terms that you beat him out on, quite as aggressively as you are?

There is more to acquiring good sep than backlinks, that's a for sure.

Interesting thread... thanks!

Stretch Dog ;-))~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

chrisnrae

8:52 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"Maybe he's not going after the specific terms that you beat him out on, quite as aggressively as you are?"

I'd imagine he's attacking them, since these terms are part of his anchor variations he uses when obtaining links on other sites. I actually would probably be labeled the one "non aggressive" ;). I actually haven't done anything for this particular site (that competes with this specific competitor) in over a year, aside from adding four new pages to the site. Although, the site certainly has received inbounds I never asked for.

As I said above, I believe the answer is the quality of the inbound links. That's the great thing about SEO - we all get to have our own opinions and test for ourselves.

Christyl Stevens

10:10 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What is YOUR Primary Reason for Acquiring Links to Your Pages?

I have read lots of information about reciprocal linking and other linking strategies in order to promote a Website and/or Web page and there are some seriously differing opinions as to what the purpose of linking is.

There are opposing views as to why and how you should conduct a linking campaign.

The majority of people believe that linking is solely for search engine results and link popularity and PageRank.

Then conversely there are very few people who believe that linking is solely for the purpose of bringing qualified and targeted visitors (potential customers/clients) to their respective pages and that any increase in search engine rankings that may come as a result of this strategy is then a welcome benefit.

How do you ALL view this?

chrisnrae, I am particulary interested in hearing your take on this, as I always find your posts to be super insightful.

Thank you everyone.

stretch_dog

11:09 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"I'd imagine he's attacking them, since these terms are part of his anchor variations he uses when obtaining links on other sites. I actually would probably be labeled the one "non aggressive" ;). I actually haven't done anything for this particular site (that competes with this specific competitor) in over a year, aside from adding four new pages to the site."

Well, whatever you've done (or did over a year ago)you've obviously done well... congrats!

"Although, the site certainly has received inbounds I never asked for."

That is really the "defining" point of a really good website now isn't it... if people are linking to you naturally, the se's gobble it up. One way incoming links, particularly on topic, are Gold!

"I believe the answer is the quality of the inbound links."

Right on the money... quality of backlinks will beat out quantity of backlinks (i believe) every time, all else being equal!

Again, job well done... Stretch Dog... ;-))~~~~~~~~~

stretch_dog

11:14 pm on Oct 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"The majority of people believe that linking is solely for search engine results and link popularity and PageRank. "

I remember in the old days you provided content for people to link to so you could draw "traffic", then later on it became backlinks for "link popularity", then still latter it was backlinks for "PR" (basically the same thing but with the big G in mind), and now it seems as though we are coming full circle... and it's about bloody time!

Just my opinion and I'm sticking to it...

Stretch Dog!

chrisnrae

1:43 am on Oct 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There are opposing views as to why and how you should conduct a linking campaign.

Personally, I think it all depends on your objective with a site, your opinions in regards to SEO and whether or not you choose to use "future algo possibilities" (that could turn out to be right or wrong) as part of your gameplan.

The majority of people believe that linking is solely for search engine results and link popularity and PageRank.

Then conversely there are very few people who believe that linking is solely for the purpose of bringing qualified and targeted visitors (potential customers/clients) to their respective pages and that any increase in search engine rankings that may come as a result of this strategy is then a welcome benefit.

I think the latter may fall more in line with hobby webmasters or big corporations with huge budgets.

Lets face it - we're in a business (most of us) as Internet marketers. SE results are a big part of our business. We wouldn't be very good Internet marketers if they weren't a focus when making and marketing our sites.

Each person building each style of site has a different objective. I think every webmaster needs to figure out what theirs is and take what they feel is the smartest path to achieve what they want.

Developing links is a part of this business. My first and foremost reason for developing links is to be found. Whether its by natural traffic or SE's.

Only developing links to be found be people surfing related sites makes a person no more noble or "better than" a webmaster cultivating his links to be found in the search engines. We are all after the same thing. In my opinion anyway.

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