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My main competitor is showing about 600 backlinks from google which I know isn't that much. I am wondering what you have to do to start getting in the 1,000+ backlinks from google or even from yahoo.
I am talking about 1,000 different sites linking to me, not getting a site-wide link on 1,000 pages.
I am also only looking for free links, be it reciprocal or non reciprocal.
Any suggestions or help is greatly appreciated!
Hopefully you customized your email specifically for the webmaster.... Webmasters do not even read generic link to me emails.... Who would/?
Your next step it to wait a couple weeks, and pick up the phone and contacting these sites. Be personable, it goes along way.
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What I'm really looking for is recommendations on how to find more than 4,500 possible link partners?
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I bet most webmasters are in the same position. Especially those where this is only part time.
You might also consider hiring a freelance link campaign manager for several dollars per link.
Well, close to a few dollars.
Closer to $8-15 per link for reciprocals. Quality is not assured. If you have the generic travel/loans/diet/drug website then it's easier to do outsource. More difficult if you have something other than the usual suspects because the learning curve goes up on account of cultural differences, which makes the job more difficult.
There are also services that will get you one way inbounds for around $10-14 per link.
bhartzer is right on target. If your website cannot be all that, then create a website that can. Then do a ros back to your original website that has maxed out the entire WWW for link partners.
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If you cannot attract link partners to your money site, you can always build another website that can.
Like, for example: say you use Overture or Google or Wordtracker's related-keyword tools and then Google each variation which comes up. Then you contact the top 5-10 SERPS for each. Then you research their backlinks. Certainly your competitors have backlinks. And their backlinks have backlinks...Directories? Portals? If you thoroughly follow that rabbit down the hole, and use some creativity, my experience is that the Internet labyrinth is endless and abundant.
Not to blow my own horn, but--OK, I'll blow my own horn--that's how I got to rank between 1-9 for every single one of the circa 50 top terms in my trade (and 1-3 for all the money keywords I really worked at). There's no good substitute for long nights in front of the monitor in my opinion, and it does pay off indeed. No automated solution or quick link purchase is really going to do it in the long run. Just my opinion. If you disagree that's OK.
My problem is managing combine the external links and the context on my site to result in greate nice high positioning in the SE. Still the problem remains, effectiviness.
Form link request submissions also have the added benefit of not subjecting you to spam complaints, which can and do happen when you collect a bunch of domains via some spider and send bulk mail to firstname.lastname@example.org.
Some sites support themed links and some do not. Identify industries that have general linking directories and this will open up a lot more sites to potential links.
Perhaps a script could be written to ID which link management script is running and thus what fields are required and where, and automatically fill those in?
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Focus on the top 50 sites in your search results for your money term.
It doesn't matter who links to them these days unless they turn up in the same set of search results also (IMO).
If you focus on the top fifty for:
These are the links you really need.
1,000's of links from anywhere won't compare to 100's from 'your neighbourhood.'
If you want to look beyond this use the ~keyword -keyword search to find some closely related words semanticaly to repeat the process for.
Also look to all sites in DMOZ categories which relate to you.
See also: Topic Sensitive PageRank, Local Rank, Latent Semantic Indexing.
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I am going for links from on topic links pages or on topic sites only for the most part. Maybe I just ran out?
Have you listed in:
MSN Small Business Directory
And several other directories?
Another suggestion is to be active in webmaster forums which allow links in signature files (I have a couple of hundred links this way - plus you can change them on-mass to direct the links to where you need them from time to time).
[edited by: martinibuster at 7:38 pm (utc) on Sep. 28, 2004]
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You're absolutely right...
- One way links are generally better than reciprocal links.
- On topic, relevant links are always better than off topic links.
Context links contained within the written content of a page, linking to another page with additional information on the same, or related topic, are Gold!
- Links from authority sites are also Gold!
- Links from pages with fewer outgoing links are usually better than those coming from pages with more outgoing links (all esle being equal), however... a relevant, on topic, contextual link with good proximity, coming from a page with lots of ogl's is often better than an off topic, non-contextual link, with poor proximity coming from a page with fewer ogl's. (by proximity I simply mean location on the page).
- Links from "links pages" that are not layed out appropriately, meaning catagorized, broken into themed pages and optimized, c/w good anchor text in proximity to good descriptive text and title attribute etc., are generally not worth much.
- Links generated by automated means and even include files (when fully crosslinked), are often discounted.
- Stay away from link farms, FFA's, poorly organized directory services, link exchange software, and anything that simply looks too good to be true... unless you totally understand the process and fully trust the source.
And remember... there is no way that you can banned by Google or any other search engine becuase you've bought and paid for back links!
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!
Stretch Dog : -))~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PS... In answer to the original question of "I'm all out of link partners how do I find more?"... You do it the hard way by acquiring them one at a time, you buy them (less you're a fear monger, or you join a link exchange service. We've done all the above and about the latter, be carefully because most are a rip!
We've recently investigated and signed onto what we beleive is going to be great one, but I can't mention it here or this post will be removed.... sorry people, it's the way it is!
Your next round will not pass mailwasher or other SPAM filters unless you use different domain to send from.
I would recommend you concentrate on quality of links, of course if your venture is aimed at anything longer than couple months.
I have sites that rank extremely well in difficult areas without "good links". That is proof you don't need them.
I think 90% of the talk about theme pyramids and on-topic links is hogwash. It may come true one day, but today Google doesn't use theming. Or if they do it carries nearly no weight in the ranking.
As for Pagerank, that is a mere shadow of what it was until early 2003, so I don't get excited when I get a PR7 link anymore.