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Links per hour

What is reasonable to expect?

         

tolachi

8:27 pm on Jul 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My company has been trying to do a link campaign in house. So far it has been a colosal failure. Outsourcing the link campaign has worked well in the past but we want to use in industry link campaign contacts to push our affiliate program as well.

I need to set some reasonable expectations for the person doing the campaign. What is fair-good performance in links per hour? I understand that it will depend on quality, PR, how on topic they are, etc... But any kind of general advice would help.

Muchisimas gracias for any feedback.

akogo

3:16 am on Jul 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yowza

Some will write me back and ask me to provide a reciprocal link before they add my link. I have chosen to not reciprocate any links at this time.

Do the people who ask for a link still link to you anyway even if you don't?

yowza

4:19 am on Jul 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No, they don't link to me anyway.

storevalley

8:43 am on Jul 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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akogo:

You would still require this eventhough you had a reciprocal links page and had "how to link to us" info and provided an email address to ask for a link exchange?

But I don't ... like most web sites on the Internet. If you found over 2k sites in the past month that meet these requirements, then fair play to you :)

What would that genuine reason be?

Anything but a third email saying anything but "will you link to my site" would stand an even chance ;)

ownerrim

4:52 pm on Jul 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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this is for yowza and akogo:

I spend about 20 hours each month seeking out sites from whom I can request links. I check their links and the backlinks of people linking to them. I send them a letter that has been canned but if I can personalize it a little I do. I point out that my site may be a good resource for them and their visitors. I never mention a reciprocal. If you mention a reciprocal they become suspicious just as I become suspicious when someone mentions that to me. About one of out 20 sites will link to me this way. But there are literally tens of thousands of link candidates so I keep plugging away. This way, I get one-way links without "reciprocal-link-risk". It takes a lot of work but it is well worth it. Why do they link to me in this way. Because I represent the site as a resource for their visitors. And it is. That's the thing. Make a quality site and a percentage of people when asked will link to it

akogo

5:22 pm on Jul 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ownerrim

In your letter, do you also provide them the title and description of your site, or do you let them decide? Do these sites that accept your link email you back? The sites that don't accept, do they respond to you? Do you visit all the site on your prospects list to find out if they had listed you. If you do this, how often will you do it and when do you quit on them? Do these sites have their own reciprocal or resource page?

Akogo

Crush

5:59 pm on Jul 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We get 100 to 300 a day. If my links guys get less than 50 they get a grilling.

Eveybody these days needs links. I just dangle a high PR in the face of the other sites and they come running for more. Once you have good Pr that is the key!

akogo

7:17 pm on Jul 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Crush

We get 100 to 300 a day.

Up to 300 reciprocal links in a day? How big is your link page now?

guys

How many hires are doing this?

ownerrim

12:33 am on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Akogo,

In the subject line, I write something like "my blank site as a possible resource for your links page. (I leave out re: because of recent viruses sending out mail with that in the subject line)

In the body of the email, I write "Hi, I just wanted to point out my site as a possible resource for your visitors. It's titled "blah-blah-blah-blah" at [info-on-blank.com....]

After making this statement, I briefly describe the focus of the site and either my own qualifications or motivation for writing the site. Then I conclude with the statement, "hopefully, this will be of some use to your own site's visitors"

The letter I send sounds better than the solicits I've gotten from others looking for links. The people I don't get links from generally don't write back, although a couple have been nice enough to write and explain that they liked the site but didn't feel the site was relevant enough to their topic area. Of the ones who do link to me, some write me and some don't. Sometimes, the ones I don't hear from start turning up in my daily stats as link referrals.

Usually, I don't write a site twice. There's too many potential candidates to even have to worry about it. However, I have on occasion accidentally written a site that I never heard from the first time and THEN got a link. Maybe they deleted the first email and then on the second go round decided, for whatever reason, to check out my site and link to it.

Most of these sites do have links pages. I don't really bother too much with the sites that carry a statement "reciprocal links" or sites that make it plain that reciprocal is the only way they will go.

I go after sites that carry links to other sites as "resources". These kinds of sites don't care about getting links for the sake of pagerank. And most often I am sure they have never even heard of pagerank. In fact, I am absolutely sure that the vast majority of webmasters are oblivious to seo and pr issues. If you don't believe me, just visit groups dot google dot com and go into the google forum. You will be amazed at the questions they ask. It's like the dark ages in there. But in reality, that's most webmasters.

This approach may work better for info type sites, but I think even commerce sites can apply it if they have a site that is useful in some way to users.

akogo

1:29 am on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ownerrim,

I'm learning a lot from you. Thanks for explaining your approach. I'm going to give some of your ideas a try.

the vast majority of webmasters are oblivious to seo and pr issues.

I know you're right about this because my PR0 site gets links from mostly sites with link pages of PR4. There has been a few sites that ask for a minimum PR3 or PR4 before linking, but I just ignore them and ask the next site. I think sites that have PR5, PR6, PR7, PR8, PR9 might be the opposite of your observation. What's the highest PR link you got without having to reciprocate?

ownerrim

4:11 am on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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high 7. the site linked to about 5 of my pages.

yowza

5:36 am on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ownerrim has the right formula. That is pretty much the same as I do. However, my site is a pure e-commerce website. I imagine I would get a higher acceptance rate for a purely informational website.

I never bother with sites requiring reciprocal links either.

I will write a second time after a couple of months have lapsed, if the site is PR6 or higher.

As ownerrim say, there are so many sites out there that there is no need to bother people with multiple requests.

akogo

7:06 am on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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yowza,

I never bother with sites requiring reciprocal links either.

Do you still mean finding that out once they have read your letter and they ask for a link exchange before they link to you? Did you say you respond to their reply or just ignore it?

As ownerrim say, there are so many sites out there that there is no need to bother people with multiple requests.

I do understand both your points of view on this as it applies to your situations. But, I'm limiting my list of sites from a "single" source which fit a certain criteria. I'm doing a little "experiment" on an idea I have to see what kind of results I will get. But I am still getting lots of valuable advice and ideas from you guys I can use on new "experiments" I will perform in new link campaigns. I'm very close to my 100 link goal on this project. Afterwards, I'll be starting from scratch with a new site.... some of your ideas I will be applying to it.

Akogo

Crush

3:14 pm on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I never bother with sites requiring reciprocal links either.

Well you are missing out on a lot of power for your website then. All this hoo har about recips are bad. Total bull

yowza

4:36 pm on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I never said recips are bad. I said that for this particular website that I am working on that I don't bother with reciprocal links. I see no problem with reciprocal links, but in this case I do not want to trade links with websites that have reciprocal link pages, mainly because I don't want to create a links page.

However, I did say that I am looking for a few reciprocal link partners with websites that complement mine from which we can interlink our websites in a logical and user-friendly manner.

ownerrim

5:03 pm on Jul 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I don't see a problem with reciprocals necessarily either. But...how can you guarantee that the person you've linked to will still own the site 2 years down the road? In looking for links, I've found a number of reputable resource sites that had been bought out(I guess for their pagerank) had their original content wiped and replaced with unsavory stuff. If a site turns into a bad neighborhood two years after you've linked to it, then you're "linking to a bad neighborhood". And that's a risk I don't feel like taking if I don't have to.
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