Change from frames

how to?

[rogue]

I recently inherited a frames site built on FP 2000 and want to eliminate frames. The site ranks pretty well so I don't want to jepordize that. Problem is I don't really know how to proceed. I am somewhat schooled in FP 2000, would like to use CSS, but no expert by any means.

[thehittmann]

If the frames are there simply for navigational purposes you can do away with these and add includes in their place. Then if you need to change something site wide you only have to do it once. Much the same as with frames but without the extra pages and hassels with SE's. Not really sure why else frames would be used but if you explain exactly what is in the frames I'll try to be more on topic.

[rogue]

Thanks thehittmann.
I've been gone for the weekend. The site was imported from the cute-site program to FP. I guess its just for navigation. Three frames involved-- l.htm; m.htm; .htm
All frames are redirected to the frame that displays in a browser by js.
When working on the site in FP I can view normal, or frames, both in text or html, and can also select any of the three frames individualy. Hope I am explaining this OK.

[PatomaS]

Well, may be at this time you have fixed the situation and your site is free of frames, but if this is not the situationm it could help you

Usually the use of frames helps the "velocity" of the site, because the browser have not to load an antire page with the menus, navigation bars or repeated things. This is true... but not exactly...

If you design a site using HTML or XHTML, and use it as it is suposed, it means just for the structure of the site and use CSS for the visual apearence, the pages will load very fast.

Of course you can use some tricks to help the load speed, for example:

<link rel="next" href="new_page.htm" />

This line is used in some browsers to pre-load the mentioned pages, so it could help because while the user is reading the page, the browser is loadind the next page in background. Of course you can not abuse of this trick.

There are many ways to get an efficient and fast site with out frames, i'm sure you will find a good one

:)

Bye

[ihajjee]

Hi,

I am new to web design, and just started a frames website.
So, I am also interested, in this thread.

May I ask, what is an include? Can you please tell me about it, and how to apply it.

thanks.

[PatomaS]

Well

Hello :)

The answer to your question is simple and complex at the same time

But lets starts...

An include is basically a block of code that you insert in a lot of pages with out to write it or copy and paste it many times.

The way to do that depends, for example if you are usin perl or php, are different ways to do that, but you need the perl or php interpreter to do the job.

If you are using frontpage, you can use what they call "webbots", this is not exactly an include, but works in the same way, you design a page and using a menu option, you include this page in others...

Of course, there are other ways to do that, but i don't want to bother you ...

I'll just append to this post that i've been working for a long time in web things, and includes are not as fantastic as we think the first time. I recommend that you write an efficient site using html (or xhtml) and css, this is the best way to get an efficient site, with fast load time for the users and short time to rebuild it when necesary...

:)

Well, hope ir works

[rogue]

I just want to change to a straight HTML page with nav on left with the rest of the page as contents. Using FP do I make the new page and replace all three frames with this? and if so how?

[PatomaS]

Hello again

:)

Well, first of all, i suggest to drop FP and use any other editor, Dreamweaver, Hot Dog, HTML Kit, Notepad, etc...

;)

But talking about your problem...

Lets take a look ath this page and see what you can do using a left navigation and avoiding frames

[meyerweb.com...]

This page uses html and CSS, is simple and effcient.

I'm sure you will find very good examples here and you will make a very good page

;)

Good luck