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Text editors: Write-wing conspiracy?



7:51 pm on Mar 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

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In my ignorance and bliss, I happily used a web authoring program to run my site for several years. I never anticipated the site's growth in size so navigation became unmanageable. I hired someone to put my site into a content management system to improve navigation, etc. It has Tiny MCE.

This rich text editor has a mind of it's own, often throwing in extraneous code. Not sure it's fair to call it a WYSIWYG editor! The previous version of Tiny MCE was an absolute nightmare to use, so I guess I should be thankful for little things with the newer version.

I've been using a newsletter program for several years, too, and the editor worked like a charm; no problems. That was before CSS became so popular, when the table vs css debates were at their height.

Then I just "had" to go out and have it upgraded. Ignorance but no bliss this time. While the program truely has some nice new features, rich text editor in is a real pain too.

I spent an hour the other day trying to get something to work that should have taken less than 5 minutes (the time included forum postings).

Sometimes I think there is a plot by web developers to keep some of us from working on our sites peacefully without having to depend on others? ;) (Sorry, couldn't resist). I'm no coder and don't want to be.

At one time I believed WYSIWY truly G. I no longer believe it for some of these editors.

Seriously, what's wrong with them? Are there any good rich text editors out there that are compatible with CMS and CSS, that work as well as those in web authoring programs offered by the big boys?


8:18 pm on Mar 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Anybody? Are there any better text editors?


2:14 pm on Mar 9, 2008 (gmt 0)

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FCK editor works fine for me. I've never used TinyMCE so I can't compare.


2:30 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Ultraedit. Been using it since it was hot in the mid-90s. Haven't upgraded for awhile. But I could use it to page out to DOS when running those old, old compilers. It has basic syntax highlighting, macros, hex view and edit, find/replace in file directories, etc. I've never needed more.


3:03 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I use FCK editor for CMS's too, but it is not comparable to a full i.e. locally installed HTML editor.

If you need the flexibility of a "proper" HTML editor, js-based solutions will not cut it imho.


4:40 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Yesterday, I spent more than a half hour fussing back and forth in html view and the so-called WYSIWYG editor inserting a graphic. When the spacing didn't work out, I noted there were H4 tags left over from something I removed days ago. Other extraneous code in there, but that's another story.

It took me less than a minute when I used FrontPage!

My site is graphic intensive and I write a lot of content, which includes 1-3 graphics on each page.

Oh, and I can't just insert the graphic, I need to go to another page to upload it to a directory, then go to the directory and locate the graphic in the directory, then get right-click to get it's url and copy it, then go back to the editor, click the Image Icon, then paste the image URL, then Save/Submit.

I waste hours every week with this stupid editor. Multiply that by thousands of hours I've been working with this for a year and a half....

I thought a CMS was supposed to make life easier.


4:47 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

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TinyMCE inserts hidden   codes between most of the words after the edit point if you edit (especially insert) within a block of text.


4:53 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

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When you want a WYSIWYG editor which is compatible with CSS and CMS; you are setting yourself up for a fall.

It has been a long learning process for me; but I now know that the 'WYSIWYG' editor should be running with all FONT, COLOUR, TABLE, etc. options disabled or removed - allowing just the set of H1-H6, and predefined CSS styles to be used.

Whatever you do, do not ever paste content from any software other than notepad. If you can, disable the paste functionality.

If you do that then you will get great clean results with most WYSIWYG editors. Particularly the not cutting-and-pasting bit.


5:04 pm on Mar 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

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It took me less than a minute when I used FrontPage!

You may be able to customise your CMS to upload your page files, created in Frontpage with a standard template, into the CMS. Or copy and paste code into an input box. Could be the best option for you.

As I say I use FCK editor for CMS's, but only for non-technical users. As Vince says, it's important to turn off as much functionality as possible (!)


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