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Whats up with my Internet Explorer :-o?

doesn't open any webpage.

         

sidyadav

3:45 am on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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on 1st December 2003, NZ time (12+ GMT), My Internet explorer decided it was too tired, and stoped working, he's the problem I face:
When ever I open IE and go on a webpage (any webpage), it gives me that "Page Not found" message, and doesn't even try to fetch that page.

Posiblities:
I download a software called "Grokster", the day this happened, but by seeing the adware, I un-installed it, and after this problem, I checked for Spyware/Adware crap with "Spybot S&D" a free Spyware checking software and it found many, I removed them, and ta-da, gone :). I also checked for viruses and yet, none.

Right now, I'm surfing with Opera 7 and wish to get my IE back :)

Any help would be appreciated,
Sid

TryAgain

4:27 am on Dec 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Have you tried reinstalling IE?

You can get any IE package here:
[browsers.evolt.org...]

(or try WindowsUpdate)

sidyadav

5:07 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your reply, I tried re-installing it a couple of times, but, no luck :(

Any other suggestions would be appreciated,
Sid

Krapulator

5:17 am on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Uninstall IE completely.
Reboot.
Go to windows update and install any update/patches available.
Reboot.
Install a fresh version of IE.

If this doesn't work - I would reformat and reinstall windows (or get used to Opera 7 which is prett damn good anyway).

SuzyUK

6:01 pm on Dec 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Do you know I had to do this for a friend earlier this year and now I can't find the info... (Google :( )

It was caused by some malware corrupting the winsock dll, so it could be related to that download you mentioned..

here's what I did find although it's not as explanatory as the original article I found

Page cannot be displayed or can't browse [support.earthlink.net]
Repairs Winsock 2 settings [cexx.org]

sorry can't find the original documentation, which listed most of the malware that can cause this..

but maybe this will help

Suzy

nakulgoyal

12:42 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When IE crashes I prefer to reinstall OS afresh Sid. Let's see what you do. Post in here to let all of us know. :-)

I am sure you will have to reinstall one day or the other, if not today. :-) My personal advice, do it now.

sidyadav

4:11 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the link, SuzyUK , I'm gonna try them tonight, and I will also try downloading a new Adware remover and run it, maybe it'll work or if it doesn't, I'll just contact Microsoft NZ ;) but there is NO-WAY, I'm gonna re-install XP:
1) I have worked damn hard to install Apache and PHP
2) There is no-where to store my 30GB files :)
3) I'd rather un-install IE to work with Windows than Windows to work with IE.
The only reason I want IE is to check PRs. If that isn't possible, I'll just get over it and surf with Opera 7!

Sid

sidyadav

9:08 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ok, I ran a last check on Adware/Spyware, and guess what I find?:
I find a thing called "DSO Exploit": [security.greymagic.com...]

I removed it and my IE is back in place, thanks for all your help!
Sid

hartlandcat

10:28 pm on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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To be honest, you're much less likely to get troubled by constant spyware like this if you use another browser, such as Opera, Mozilla, Netscape etc. These are also much more secure than IE, and are generally safer to use. As there won't be another version of IE until about 2006, and the only way to get it will be to pay to upgrade the whole of Windows, it might be a good idea to think about switching to another browser anyway.

Obviously, you'll want to be able to use IE for testing purposes, but it's much less likely to break if you use another browser, because you won't end up with lots of spyware.

sidyadav

2:46 am on Dec 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have been using IE for about 2 years and this is my first spyware attack, and that too, its not IE that did it, its the file program called "Grokster" which did it - As soon as I installed it, IE stopped working.

I can't understand how you can get spyware/adware attacked with IE, because it warns you before every download, and you get that "Security Message" if a website it trying to install a toolbar or anything else, and you can go "No".

Besides, you have all the other options such as Google toolbar; PR; Popup blocker; Autofill, AV toolbar, Alexa, Outlook Express (integration) and heaps of others you can name.

But I do agree - Browsers such as Opera are much better in the design, the buttons and stuff, but then again, some sites have problem rendering in them.

IE's the man ;)

Sid

robert adams

3:16 am on Dec 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I hate IE, but You are no more likely to get spyware if using IE than another browser.
I am glad you solved your problem. You said you were not going to reinstall windows. I have reinstalled windows on top of itself many, many times and have never lost one byte of data.
I don't know why people are so scared of reinstalling windows.
You just pop in the cd, hit the button and go get a beer.

luck,
robert

sidyadav

4:22 am on Dec 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You are no more likely to get spyware if using IE than another browser.

lots of people are saying that, but I'd like to know how exactly you can get spyware installed with IE, when it gives you all those security warnings.
I have never ever got spyware thorugh IE, so I'd like to know what the procedure is, I mean, If you download a spyware program, you can just blame it on IE.

I don't know why people are so scared of reinstalling windows.
You just pop in the cd, hit the button and go get a beer.

which version of Windows do you have? because if you have XP Pro, you need to activate it every time you install, and an activation key can only be used for 2-3 times.
You can request a new activation key, but according to my friends experience, it usually doesn't work.

Sid

jdMorgan

4:37 am on Dec 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> I'd like to know how exactly you can get spyware installed with IE

ActiveX.

... and/or unrestricted Active scripting enabled for the entire "Internet Zone"

And the irony of it is that if you make the settings reasonably secure, you'll need to move Windows Update to the "Trusted Sites" zone in order for some of the Windows Update customizations to work.

Of course, all browsers have security problems, even Mozilla, Netscape Navigator 6+, Phoenix, and Firebird -- check your Windows\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\<profile_name>\<key>\downloads.rdf file for an example. :)

Jim

hartlandcat

1:16 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Besides, you have all the other options such as Google toolbar; PR; Popup blocker; Autofill, AV toolbar, Alexa, Outlook Express (integration) and heaps of others you can name.

It is possible to install a Google toolbar with Mozilla, Netscape or Firebird using [googlebar.sf.net...] --- also, in Mozilla (or Netscape), you get integration with Mozilla (or Netscape) Mail, which is similar to Outlook Express, just much more secure, and much less virus-prone.

But I do agree - Browsers such as Opera are much better in the design, the buttons and stuff, but then again, some sites have problem rendering in them.

I hate IE, and I can never quite understand why some people seem to love it. If a site has a problem rendering in Opera, Netscape/Mozilla or Konqueror/Safari, then it is entirely the designers fault. IE is very forgiving of errors, and because the designer didn't bother to test in any non-IE browsers, these errors weren't picked out and corrected.

Why are you more likely to get spyware if you use IE? Because..
Spyware is often obtained when you visit websites owned by unscrupulous people. When you visit the website, an file is automatically downloaded onto your computer, so adverts etc. will be forced upon you by the webmaster of the site you visited. Obviously, the file download has to be invisible, which is achieved by some sort of scripting (not exactly sure how). Because the download manager etc. works differently in different browsers, the scripting has to be written specially for different browsers. Most unscrupulous webmasters will only write the scripting for IE, so the download will not happen in other browsers.

^ ...at least that's how I assume they do it --- if anyone knows better, please correct me.

robert adams

10:52 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You are no more likely to get spyware if using IE than another browser.

lots of people are saying that, but I'd like to know how exactly you can get spyware installed with IE, when it gives you all those security warnings.
I have never ever got spyware thorugh IE, so I'd like to know what the procedure is, I mean, If you download a spyware program, you can just blame it on IE.

I don't know why people are so scared of reinstalling windows.
You just pop in the cd, hit the button and go get a beer.

which version of Windows do you have? because if you have XP Pro, you need to activate it every time you install, and an activation key can only be used for 2-3 times.
You can request a new activation key, but according to my friends experience, it usually doesn't work.

Sid

If you re-read what I said, you are not more likely to get spyware, etc. with IE than other browsers.
The reason is that most of the adware/spyware comes attached to programs that you download and install, or from file sharing programs like kazza, etc.

True, I don't have xp I have 98, however, I believe that you can reinstall xp on top if itself as many times as you need to. It is only if installing it on other machines or after a major hardware upgrade, that you have a problem with registering it.

robert

TGecho

11:13 pm on Dec 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> If a site has a problem rendering in Opera, Netscape/Mozilla or Konqueror/Safari, then it is entirely the designers fault.

And the problems rarely make the page unusable unless the designer went out of their way to mess things up for you or it's some sort of webapp (banking, etc...)

As said before, it is possible to "contract" something just by visiting a webpage. Most of the time it's just a clueless user downloading stuff they don't understand.

TryAgain

3:16 am on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ActiveX.

... and/or unrestricted Active scripting enabled for the entire "Internet Zone"

And the irony of it is that if you make the settings reasonably secure, you'll need to move Windows Update to the "Trusted Sites" zone in order for some of the Windows Update customizations to work.

Of course, all browsers have security problems, even Mozilla, Netscape Navigator 6+, Phoenix, and Firebird -- check your Windows\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\<profile_name>\<key>\downloads.rdf file for an example.

Just before posting this, opened Ad-Aware, updated reference file and did a complete scan.
(Last scan was several weeks ago!)

I'm using IE with ActiveX enabled ALL the time.

It found one cookie. That's it. One cookie. (And yes, I do surf a lot.)

This is usually how it is. Only when I'm trying out dubious "free" software does spyware get on my system from time to time.

A few IE settings:

- Everything is "internet", no "trusted sites"! (never bothered with that)
- "ActiveX controls and plug-ins": all set to "Promt". Funny thing is, it never asks, so my guess is nobody hardly ever uses them.
- Unchecked "Enable Install On Demand"

robert adams

11:14 pm on Dec 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am sure you have more than one cookie on your computer. what adaware finds are certain cookies, not all cookies.

However, that is very good that it only found one bad cookie.
I agree that most of the spyware adware, etc. comes with downloaded, free programs and/or files from p2p file sharing like kazza, etc.

luck,
robert