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Testing in Different Browsers

Looking for a real-life way to do that

         

MatthewHSE

3:17 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My site will display almost the same in all "semi-modern" browsers - say from IE 5 and up and NN 6 and up. But, there are a few design aspects, dealing mostly with my CSS, that render differently in IE 5. I want a way to test my site in several versions of IE, without having to install multiple operating systems on my computer. I gave BrowserCam a try, and appreciate their service, but what I need goes beyond just a screenshot of my site. Is there any way to accomplish what I want? Maybe a simulator or something, that will actually allow me to navigate my site?

Any advice will be appreciated. I have various versions of NN and Mozilla, but from what I understand only one version of IE can be installed at once. It's becoming a pain . . .

Thanks,

Matthew

chadmg

3:34 pm on Nov 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You can install multiple versions of IE on the same OS now...
[webmasterworld.com...]

bill

8:54 am on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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...but installing multiple versions of IE is still a hack that doesn't leave you with fully functional versions to play with...(Internet Explorer Version downloads [webmasterworld.com])

You could also try a Virtual PC type of setup...

chadmg

2:55 pm on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's only a hack because Microsoft hasn't zipped up the files and allowed you to download it. I have fully functioning versions of IE 4, 5, and 5.5 on Windows 2000. They run just as well as IE6. Well, IE4 might be a little buggy, but I haven't had the time to determine if it's because of specific websites or the installation.

Bill, did you read through the entire thread, not just the first msg on how to install them?

Macguru

3:09 pm on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>You can install multiple versions of IE on the same OS now...
>>You could also try a Virtual PC type of setup...

Been doing that for years with windows emulation on my Mac. I just install multiple copies of windows with the IE and other browsers I use.

Testing on cross browser and cross platform is done in multiples windows in real time, no compression nor rebooting is required.

Sanenet

6:55 pm on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I also love these browser resizer programs (like BrowserSizer) which allow you to open your browser at different resolutions... v. handy!

DrDoc

7:03 pm on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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installing multiple versions of IE is still a hack that doesn't leave you with fully functional versions to play with

I have installed IE4, 5, 5.5, and 6 - and they all work very well. And yes, everything is handled in real-time.

The only thing is - you can't install the browsers... (and you don't have to).
All you have to do is copy the files from the CAB files mentioned in the thread, add an iexplore.exe.local file. Then it works. CAB files can be opened by WinZip or PowerArchiver.

MatthewHSE

7:50 pm on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Where/how can I get the .cab files? I downloaded the install (.exe) files from browsers.evolt.org, but don't quite know where to go from there.

chadmg

8:09 pm on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you run the exe you will get a folder with the installation files. Then run winzip on the cab files or use the expand command in dos.

DrDoc

8:45 pm on Nov 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Or just open the exe file in WinZip.

bill

2:13 am on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Bill, did you read through the entire thread, not just the first msg on how to install them?
I certainly did...several times...and I spent a good bit of time extracting various combinations of .cab files on several different machines, but my results were under-performing, buggy versions of IE that at best would show me what page layouts looked like, but wouldn't let me select form elements (like textboxes), and they crashed a lot. I don't think I ever got IE4 to work at all...

DrDoc

5:39 am on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Which OS?

bill

6:08 am on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I tried this on an NT4 Server, Windows 2000 Pro and Windows XP machines.

DrDoc

4:12 pm on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hmm, that's really odd. I can understand if IE4 was quirky... But you should be able to get IE5 and 5.5 working fine

amznVibe

9:18 pm on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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VMware is the only way to fly for this kind of serious testing. Not only can you run several versions of IE (all at the same time) but you can test true screen sizes like 800x600 within your windows with the default settings instead of a guesstimate using your screen going back and forth (not to mention power user settings). If you use Windows 95c as your base OS, it boots incredibly fast and uses low ram.

Also you can fireup little Linux ISO's directly like damnsmalllinux.org (or Knoppix if you want a full blown system simulation) within Windows and run the Konqueror browser which is about as close to emulating Safari as you can get on a PC.

It takes a little investment in time (and money) to get it all setup, but it will let you make really good and consistant looking sites. Difference between being a pro and an amateur IMHO.

Now if there just was a way to run Mac IE 5.x on a PC. Unfortunately the last mac emulators made don't do PowerPC code, so I can only test up to IE 4 on OS 8.6(ick).

[edited by: amznVibe at 9:26 pm (utc) on Nov. 6, 2003]

DrDoc

9:25 pm on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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VMware is the only way to fly for this kind of serious testing.

Ok, let's see...
I currently have IE5, 5.5, and 6 running simultanously on WinXP. And, then I just use sizer to resize the window. It lets me test all the features in all browsers. I can compare the browsers side by side, and "switching" is merely a matter of firing up another browser window.

Explain to me how I would benefit from installing VMware to replace my current solution...

amznVibe

9:31 pm on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Can you give me the exact instructions on how to run 5.5 and 6.0 together? So far I have not seen a thorough instruction list in the above URLs. I'd like to try it but my initial attempt has failed (on win2k).

My point about the screen sizes is that the 800x600 window in VMware is exact and the structure inside the window is identical to a real PC with a real screen that size. If you are at 1280x1024, even if you set the window to 800x600, your internal browsing area is way off compared to your real 800x600 visitor because of your font sizes and toolbar/scrollbar pixel sizes. Sometimes that matters.

DrDoc

10:18 pm on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Posted in new thread: [webmasterworld.com...]

DrDoc

10:33 pm on Nov 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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identical to a real PC with a real screen that size.

...if they have the exact same settings you do. Personally, I've set the actual window size for 800×600 to slightly less than 600 height, to accomodate for the task bar.

Still, a lot of things can be different from one setup to the other. At work I always use a double size task bar, for example. But, as long as I'm somewhere in the ballpark of the target I'm satisfied ;)