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Another site abandons Netscape

Major, major corporation - no Netscape

         

txbakers

2:35 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A MAJOR trade show decorating company, probably the largest company in the trade show business, has recently created an on-line eServices site where you can purchase everything they handle: from booth design, to furniture, to freight in and out, to custom stuff. They are one of the biggest in the business.

Their new eServices site clearly states:

Not Compatible with Netscape Browsers.

No apology from them, just the bare facts.

Here is the URL

<snipped> tx

Is it courage or stupidity? On the one hand, they might lose some on-line business, but on the other hand, they are a monopoly at the trade show. A show only gets one decorating company. If you can't do it at their website, you can mail in the forms. or fax it. or call it in. Either way you HAVE to buy it from them.

Is it courage to finally take a stand? Or will the company suffer from their decision? I don't think they will suffer one dollar.

[edited by: txbakers at 3:46 am (utc) on June 18, 2002]

littleman

2:45 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)



courage?
no
stupidity?
maybe

I would call it laziness and ignorance.

EliteWeb

2:52 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ah the bosses to me seem like they were gullable by listening to someone who did not have the experience to make the site cross-browser compatible. They should both be fired ;)

Purple Martin

3:02 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Considering that the design industry is one of the few that uses plenty of Macs (which don't have IE already installed) it could be stupidity.

I'd love to kill Netscape (and I'd love to kill Macs too) but I accept the web-world I live in and I work accordingly.

madcat

3:11 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Limiting who or what can see the information being presented works in opposition to the point.

Stupidity.

txbakers

3:32 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It's interesting to read all the posts against their move.

Keep in mind that they don't need nor rely on their web site for business. It's just an added convenience for their customers. They have a monopoly in the trade show business, so they are not going to lose any business by not accepting Netscape.

A parallel argument could be made for credit cards. If a business doesn't accept Discover, what happens? Either you use a different card or you don't buy it. 95% of the people have another card. You might lose the 5%, but that's still not bad odds.

I will vote for courage.

minnapple

3:55 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Alienating market share is not courage, it is poor marketing.

pageoneresults

3:58 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If it said...

Not Compatible with Netscape 4.x Browsers.

Then I would have voted for Courage!

But, since it said...

Not Compatible with Netscape Browsers.

I would have to vote for Ignorance! That's a pretty tough word but the new versions of Netscape should not present a problem to most designers. 4.x is the problem!

txbakers

4:02 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure it's a design problem. The site is a JSP site, so design shouldn't be a problem.

I'll call them tomorrow and see if I can talk to one of their web geeks to find out why they made that decision.

Key_Master

4:08 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think it conveys the message that they aren't smart enough to design a site for Netscape.

My vote is for incompetence.

deejay

5:06 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Stupidity.. arrogance... either or.

Monopoly or no, they are creating a lovely niche market for someone who thinks enough about the customer to design the site for both markets.

brotherhood of LAN

5:19 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Its like having a store that has no access for people with wheelchairs. There is no excuse, it is a company playing ignorant to its surroundings.

They are discriminating against non-IE browsers! That's borderline crazy. The only reason I could give for it being this way is that it would be more cost efficient in some way to them.

pageoneresults

5:30 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Problem is, certain sites just won't function without all the security holes. ;)

littleman

5:41 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)



It makes me wonder if the webmaster has ever heard of Mozilla, Opera -- not to mention OmniWeb, and Konqueror.

Nick_W

6:17 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My guess is that the company have no idea just how toweringly stupid they've been.

The (probably) third rate designer has given them a yarn about not supporting it and they've bought it hook line and sinker.

The designer should be ashamed.

[big]STUPIDITY![/big]

Nick ;)

backus

8:26 am on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'd say courage. If more people used their head like that, then maybe Netscape will make a browser which works. Not one works properly. IE never crashes for me, it only crashes if the user messes it up by downloading an addition it shouldn't have. Netscape is just bug after bug after bug.

txbakers

12:19 pm on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't think users are wedded to Netscape browsers out of any sense of loyalty or perceived superiority. I think it's just habit.

I recently designed a site to interface with another on-line site (sort of a web services idea). The user on the other end was using Netscape and was having problems. He was very quick to dump it and download IE.

It's a form of tough love. Stop supporting the garbage and it will go away eventually (or get fixed).

hcstudios

5:25 pm on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My guess is it's a budget decision by a mid-level manager who doesn't even know what version of what browser s/he is using. It may be stupid, but that's what happens when the financial folks are in charge of project features. Budgets are tight, and something has to go....

The proposal probably had $X for cross-browser testing and functionality and when the proposal was reviewed someone said "let's just dump that -- we don't need to spend the money on that area." So, the moral of the story is...if you're a designer or developer don't separate out those costs or they'll probably be cut! Instead, put that horrid splash page animation with the flaming rotating logo as its own line item so the financial guy/gal has something to cut that doesn't damage the functionality of the site....

(Ugh, I think I've written a few too many proposals lately that have been attacked by bean counters...I'm really tired of justifying why QA is necessary to folks who don't even know what the acronym stands for or why the lack of it might be a problem.)

Nick_W

5:54 pm on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I had a look at the site and I reckon someones kid did it. That or a very inexperienced designer.

Nick

diddlydazz

6:01 pm on Jun 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I wonder what they will do when AOL makes the change to Netscape ?

My opinion would be an inexperienced designer who has said "Oh no-one uses Netscape anymore"

Stupidity all the way

Dazz