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What formats dont leave temp copies on end users computer?

Streaming audio newbie questions

         

emsaw

5:01 pm on Jan 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi everyone,

My g searches turned up nothing for me.

Is RealAudio my only choice if I don't want the end user to be able to save a local copy of an audio file to their computer? I've got no knowledge in this area, but it's been handed to me as a business requirement for a project. I am looking for what formats are available that I can encode to stream to the end user without them being able to save the audio file, nor have a copy left in their temp dir, ALA mp3 .

Any sugestions on what format to use? I would of course prefer that it's in wide use, like able to be accessed with Windows Media Player.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Mark

Norma_Jay

7:38 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi Mark-

Sorry if you have your hopes up but I share your same problem. Hopefully, someone has an answer or can confirm that what I am doing is a solution. I have a website that plays full songs and I need to protect them from being downloaded. I convert MP3's to .asf files with Windows Media Encoder, then create a text file referred to as an .asx file which is the file inserted in the html page. This works for me however, I still am not sure that I have done everything I can to keep the 'pirates' from pilfering.

Hope to hear from someone-
Norma

D_Blackwell

2:18 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There's plenty of inexpensive software available that will record the file anyway. It sits between the audio application and the sound card just like a sound card driver does. Excellent quality.

Norma_Jay

3:59 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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So true...'capture utilities' for streaming media. Where there is a will there is a way.

For my site, I feel I have done the best I can. If I look hard enough, maybe I will find a 'snuffer' for the 'capture utility'. <smile>

py9jmas

4:15 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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encode to stream to the end user

... so you want me to be able to download your music ...
without them being able to save the audio file

... but you don't want me to be able to download your music?
If I can do the first, I will be able to do the second. As long as I have control over my PC, this will always be the case.

Norma_Jay

4:29 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I think the issue is...

I want you to go to my website, click on a 'play' button, hear the song play, (streaming from my WMP), but to protect the copyrights of the song, I respectfully request that it is not copied to your computer.

I am trying to honor the request of the artist.

emsaw

4:49 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for all of the resonses!

In my case, it's not actually music, it's just monitored(with disclosure and permission) phone call recordings. I realize that there are always ways of copying the data, but I need to show at least a modest effort in upholding my clients wishes. I'm not sure what all of my options are.
Here's what I am looking for:

I send my client a link to an audio file.
Client listens to audio file.
The audio file does not persist on the client computer.

If I understand it correctly, in the case of a streamed mp3, the file is stored in the users Temporary Internet Files dir(at least in MSIE), so the user can *easily* save the file. If it's a RealAudio file, each request streams the response to the end user, and no 'audio file' is left on the users computer.. this is what I'd prefer.

Norma_Jay, thanks, I'll look into the whole .asf, asx thing. Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Thanks!
Mark

D_Blackwell

4:55 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Without addressing what is 'right or wrong', I think that the answer is that that is just not realistic. When people see or hear something that they like, they record it. Songs, images, video, TV, movies.....

I also think that almost everyone that does this, does so for their own personal use, and most of that is probably never used again, just becoming accumulated junk. Those who do this for nefarious purposes are a distinct group that will always pose challenges.

Norma_Jay

5:01 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Mark-

For the record, I also posted this previously to another newsgroup and was advised to test by accessing a page from my site via IE, playing the song, then going to my Internet temp files to see if any remnant of the song showed up there. It did not. I was further advised that under the circumstances, this was the best that could be done, also, that the 'capture' utilities do exist for those that persist.

Good luck-
Norma

emsaw

5:57 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Can't anything just be easy? :)

I am going to use the asx, asf format, although I found something sort of interesting.

I went to M$'s website and played an .asx file, went to my Temporary Internet Files folder, and I see the .asx(119 B), and I see a .dat file(79 KB) with the name of the .asf file in it, along with a bunch of versioning numbers... So I guess it does download and cache the file on disk, but still goes out to request the file each time anyway, and it would take some concerted effort to translate that .dat file into a useable audio file(I'm assuming). And the files did ~mysteriously~ disappear after a few minutes.

This is good enough for me at the moment.

Thanks for all of the info everyone!

Mark

Moosetick

10:21 pm on Jan 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"I see a .dat file(79 KB)"

Try that again and copy that dat file to your desktop. Change the extension to asf and see if WMP will play it. I bet there is a good chance it will.