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Google's big announcement

March 4

         

OntheEdge

1:14 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This could have a lot to so with the changes we're expecting
"Google Builds World's Largest Advertising and Search Monetization Program"

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OntheEdge

2:01 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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doesn't anybody see the strategy there?
This is the big move. Imagine all the publishers, frustrated with waiting for the update and desperately seeking a way to not get left in the dust.
I knew the delay was for a reason.

taxpod

2:03 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm just too dense to see the significance of this.

sem4u

2:06 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Me too.

It just sums up the way in which AdWords works, but served up for the media.

OntheEdge

2:13 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's part of a way bigger picture. Way bigger, I guess a few more things will have to happen before everybody gets it.

DaveN

2:14 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ontheedge. imho it's different parts of the business if google wants more advertisers then they should keep updating on a regular basis, people use google because it's fresh if they lose that then joe public will move to other SE's

content driven ads ->

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these are just another income stream and you never try to push a income stream by damaging your Core business at the end of the day the public love google as a search engine not because we the webmasters can by ad's on blog sites and over content rich areas.

DaveN

OntheEdge

2:18 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm talking about the Content targeted ads. They don't go on the search results. They go on other websites, as a sidebar.
If you have a widget schematic page that doesn't sell anything, you can have a sidebar of targeted ads sound familiar.
They have officially acknowledge by that press release that OV is competition.
Sure glad I'm #1 for my most important keyword on AV ;)

If you don't get right now, don't worry, you will see more soon.

OntheEdge

2:22 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I realize that this is old tactics (sort of). It's the big picture that I'm looking at.

taxpod

2:22 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I suppose that if I can post some script onto my pages and Google will serve up some ads that are specific to some keywords that might be good but I don't know. This has been tried in other ways before and doesn't seem to be earth shaking stuff. It has its place but IMHO this is not BIG news. And if a company as large as Google can't do something like that while doing their normal everyday business, I'd be surprised. I'm still waiting for what everyone else is waiting for and I suspect that the reason for the delay has more to do with changes to the algo or many more pages indexed rather than this "new" line of business.

DaveN

2:24 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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my guess is unless you are in the top ten in overture you will be number 11 in AV before long.

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DaveN

vitaplease

2:25 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Now serving more than 200 million searches per day on its global network of websites and partner sites, Google's large advertiser base enables the company to serve targeted ads for a diverse range of queries without distracting users with unrelated ads.

That used to be 150 million on Google alone up until now, if I remember well.

[edited by: vitaplease at 2:29 pm (utc) on Mar. 5, 2003]

DaveN

2:29 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Taxpod you mean now that google own most of the blog sites out there they can filter out all the google bombing in the new algo

DaveN

OntheEdge

2:38 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You can look at it that way, but its nothing more than a sophisticated way of jumping on the Affiliate bandwagon.
It will appeal to Cj's advertisers who suddenly realize that when your clickthrus drop(even from non-producing sites), so do your sales.
Some may say they're dabbling...I see grasping.
Hey, so nobody shares my view. Thats life.

OntheEdge

2:39 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yeah Dave, keep your friends close and your enemies closer, easier to squish 'em.

SlyGuy

2:45 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That used to be 150 million on Google alone up until now, if I remember well.

You do remember well. 150 million was the highest number given by Google until now.

Wow 200,000,000

That's a lot of zeros.

- Chad

EBear

3:03 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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That's a lot of zeros.

Still 92 short of justifying their name, though. :)

taxpod

4:22 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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DaveN,

What I mean is that somewhere in here it is posted that Google has a really BIG update every six months. Supposedly they index more pages each 6. So if you have a PR7 site with maybe 100,000 pages and G indexes 50,000 of them, you expect that maybe 60,000 will be indexed at the next 6 month point.

As far as the algo goes, what I mean about that is I think it is a forgone conclusion that all other things being equal, every update the serps change. Many have said this is G tweaking the algo. Maybe this month past keywords in the domain name have meant too much and the serps were of a lower quality as a result. Maybe this month G will discount this and push anchor text or some other element in conjunction with creating a bigger index.

But I have no special knowledge on these subjects. This post is pure speculation on my part. I'm really just extrapolating from other posts I have read and who knows if they are valid?

I, like everyone else, am getting anxious about the update because I expected it to happen already. So my mind is going haywire and every minute I have a different thought about why the update hasn't happened yet.

4serendipity

4:26 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Still 92 short of justifying their name, though. :)

I think someone should sue for false advertising :)

itools

5:56 pm on Mar 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think this is going to be huge. With this latest addition, Google is going after Doubleclick, etc.

The big problem with the existing advertising networks is that the prices have been in freefall because click through rates on banners have been doing the same. If you sign up to host Doubleclick ads, and if they actually accept you, then you're lucky if you take home $.10 for every 1,000 banners you serve up. Even if you're one of the more heavily trafficked sites on the web, it's almost impossible to make a living these days from a banner network.

The main reason the banner networks do so poorly is that they fail to properly match the banners to the audience. So if you're surfing an auto website, you're still seeing low rate credit card rate ads. People hate untargetted ads, so they never click.

Our company makes content management software, and we're a happy Adwords customer. Since Google decides that we have to pay about $1.00 for every single click that comes through their Adwords service, we have to be very choosy about which keywords we decide to bid on. Essentially, we only bid on the keywords which are extremely relevant to the audience we're going after.

So, when people do a search on google for "content management software" they see a very relevant list of sponsored listings - and they're willing to click our sponsored links and even buy software.

Google has broken the cycle of banner burnout with Adwords.

Now, as an advertiser, I would be enthusiastic about any way that Google could get my sponsored ads in front of even more eyeballs. They perform really well, so why not? I'll spend as much money as Google will let me.

Now, with the addition of the "content targeted ads", this allows other publishers to incorporate appropriately targeted Adwords into their website. And since advertisers are very willing to fund these ads, and website visitors are willing to click them, it should provide a steady stream of revenue to people who create content.

The only problem I see right now is that Google is requiring a minimum of 20 million pageviews a month.

Let's say the keywords are going for $.50 (we happily pay $1) and people are getting a 1% CTR (we get a 1.3% CTR), and they're serving up 5 ads at a time (our ad is usually mixed in with up to 10 other ads). That works out to $.025/pageview. That could be $500,000 per month in revenue from advertising.

Let's assume that Google splits the money evenly between itself and the publisher, so they get $250,000 a month in revenue.

It would be amazing if they could decrease the traffic requirement down to the point that an average person could derive a good living just through this advertising venue - say a salary of $5,000/month. That would be more like 400,000 pageviews a month. Well within the capabilities of most dedicated content enthusiasts.

Fraser Cain