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Is Google Too Powerful

Is it time to set up Ofsearch, a regulator of search engines.

         

webdev

2:48 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interesting opinions from Bill Thompson

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

IanTurner

5:11 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Not sure I agree with much of the article, though interesting that the acquisition of a blog company should excite the mainstream journalists.

jeremy goodrich

5:14 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hm, from the bit I just skimmed over, it sounds like this journalist feels a bit threatened by this move of Google's. :)

Wonder why that would be...

IanTurner

5:21 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Those were exactly my thoughts, Jeremy

jeremy goodrich

5:32 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, he did sound aweful negative in that article...it's funny to imagine somebody feeling threatened by a search engine.

Wonder why I don't feel any pity myself?

Also, you think that Google will eventually make more, and more, and more people nervous...just like this guy?

adamas

5:36 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<sigh>Google needs regulating</sigh>

My, has Friday come around again already. :)

jbauder

5:40 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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jeremy it is NOT just a search engine its a blogger search engine ;-)

I liked the "click here" link to tell bill robinson what to write about ... maybe thats how he got the idea an overwhelming outcry from citizens concerned about blogging

anyone have an approximate breakdown of where google search results come from ... google, yahoo, aol, and any others worthwhile to note?

ritch_b

5:49 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well...so much for reporters being objective in their work...;)

SlyOldDog

5:52 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The much-praised reputation mechanism that is supposed to ensure that bloggers remain true, honest and factually-correct is, in fact, just the rule of the mob, where those who shout loudest and get the most links are taken more seriously.

It is the online equivalent of saying that The Sun newspaper always tells the truth because four million people read it, and The Guardian is intrinsically less trustworthy as it only sells half a million.

Sounds like he doesn't understand how pagerank works either.

jeremy goodrich

5:59 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I'm sure that when if I can finally explain to my parents (who've only been surfing for a few years each...) what a blog is, they will be very concerned about Google.

Come to think of it, I don't blog, but I am very concerned. All those personal stories. All that data.

Should we regulate the rantings of the masses? Does Google have the right to aggregate and do something with all that data? Is it good?

Would journalists be out of work? Would a writer have nothing with which to write about?

Yes, I am concerned. Google's blogging ways need to be curtailed. The blogs must go.

Everybody - let's all chant - the blogs must go. lol.

it must be friday

Tapolyai

6:11 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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jeremy, it's funny your comment is so true.
...eventually make more, and more, and more people nervous
Just like with any company that gets big but forgets the road how they got there...

I loved Microsoft. I thought they were the cream of the crop, until they started to loose sight in the rear-view mirror. Same with IBM, EDS, etc.

I think there are lot of people who get threatened by "power" that is not theirs.

As for regulating a search engine. G-d willing, I have a web site that is so big people ask for it to be regulated - I would rather pull the plug then allow the government (who, for example, turned 7 incompatible tax system into 16, in an attempt to consolidate) to tell me what to do.

jeremy goodrich

6:16 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Funny? I'm being serious. The 3 guys sitting next to me think I'm nuts, but I've been chanting 'blogs must go' and 'regulate Google' for a half hour now...

wait - i think my boss is coming, ok, i'll stop. Did it help?

Is the world different? Google less threatening? Less powerful?

Nope. But - they are still cool. That counts for something, yes?

People always get scared by change...seems this journalist perhaps should have done a bit more research, instead of jumping on the 'fear bandwagon'.

Though maybe, just maybe, when I chanted, he knew, and it was good...

digitalghost

6:19 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think the entire article was a perfect example of,

"as far from journalism as it is possible to get, with unsubstantiated rumour, prejudice and gossip masquerading as informed opinion. "

He should read his own words.

rcjordan

6:24 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>for a half hour now...
>wait - i think my boss is coming, ok, i'll stop. Did it help?
>Is the world different? Google less threatening? Less powerful?
>Nope. But - they are still cool. That counts for something, yes?

Heh! Good one, JG. Yes, that counts. To tell the truth, the most stunning news I've seen about google lately hasn't been about acquisitions, adwords, algos, APIs, blogs, IPOs, newsfeeds, pagerank, yada, yada, yada....

Two words: brand recognition.

Jesse_Smith

6:38 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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:::Yet it so dominates the search engine market that no website can afford to ignore it, and it indexes so much of the web that few users think of using another.

He's 100% correct here. The only search engine that I watch and try to get listed in is Google.

jeremy goodrich

6:41 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know it's off topic, but Jesse - if you aren't getting at least 10% of your referrals from MSN / INK then you really need to diversify.

I finally woke up, smelled the coffee, and now get a good bit of traffic there. INK is the *only* engine that drives traffic, and spiders as voraciously as Google.

If only 1 more engine would pick up on that idea, then we'd really have a game.

rcjordan

6:50 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>diversify

Yes, there's a good 5% to be flogged out of ASK in many markets, and since I went to flat/static pages, Lycos and Alltheweb have been steady producers, too.

troels nybo nielsen

7:14 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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One of my reasons for creating my first websites was my general distrust in journalists. A distrust that is based on experience, and which of course does not prevent me from trusting and respecting _some_ journalists.

For me one of the main points with the Internet is that it makes it very much more easy to exclude the middle man. Virtually anyone can create websites and as webmasters communicate directly to their audience. This is the reason why many journalists feel uneasy with www.

Search engines help me and other webmasters in this task. This is an important reason why many journalists feel uneasy with good search engines.

stuntdubl

7:24 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Regulation is the last thing the internet needs. There are still plenty of other engines, and the choice to use them at any time.

Brad

8:01 pm on Feb 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No need to feel threatened. We just have to obey. Obey Google. "Nothing can go wrong." ;)

>>diversify

Seriously, as much as you can, diversify. Ink and Ask and anyone else you can get. But also diversify into non-SE sources of traffic.

ga_ga

10:06 am on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interesting to note that Google stores *your computer's* IP address. Hmm. Maybe I'm being pedantic.

WindSun

11:07 am on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"now owns the world's most popular blogging tool..."

Actually, I think it is number 4 or 5. Sheesh, they only have 15 employees, and I think they said 3 of those are part time.

"Today it's just bloggers - but tomorrow it's Microsoft and IBM!" (excerpted from the Chicken Little quote book).

Has anyone noticed the similarity of BLOG to BORG?

"Google is a privately-owned US company that has a policy of collecting as much information as possible about everyone who uses its search tool..."

Sheesh, I KNEW I should never have given Google my SS number and first born...

Napoleon

11:18 am on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)



I had to smile. Of all the engines to target, he picked Google. Obviously the biggest, but also probably the most ethical of the big boys (just compare them to MSN and L$ who are prime examples of the opposite).

He would have got a lot more support had he fired his guns at guys like those.

sem4u

11:39 am on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>It will store your computer's IP address, the time/date, your browser details and the item you search for.

Has this guy never heard of website log files before?

Batman

11:50 am on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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OMG, I just discovered that if I subscribe to our local newspaper, they keep records of my address, my name, even my payment details! The nerve!

Run awaaaaaay! (Fetchez la vache...)

kevinpate

12:09 pm on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Holy Identity Crisis Batman! Don't start thinking about how much info Commissioner Gordon and the lil' blue hair ladies down at the water department have on you, or you'll never leave the cave again. Then again, no freaked out reporters in a bat cave .... got a cubicle for rent?

chiyo

12:09 pm on Feb 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hehe! perfect example of a tiny little bit of knowledge being an (embarassing) thing..

Bill seems to have referred to a few limited sources, maybe the crusading anti-google site and a coupla blogs and a few news releases, put 2 and 2 together and got 7, or at least the conclusion that the end of the world was nigh...

Heck.. even a blogger coulda done better in 30 mins...