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Nick
Thanks
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hope that made some sense
>what are:
Little date next to your listing saying your site is 'fresh'
Nick
Has anyone seen an instance with several different fresh tag displayed at the same time?
CoreUnderneath,
Down by where it says "cached" under your Google listing, if there's a date, it means that on that date, your site was indexed by freshbot, and the cached version is what it found. This can get new content into the index which otherwise would have to wait until the next update, so fresh listings are interesting.
You can get an updated listing by the fresh bot, and every time I get one, I see the new content on both the Serp (if it has selected a snippet of codce which has changed) and in the cache.
I too just had an interesting experience with Freshbot. The only change I made to my page was to include a <H1> and </H1> tag at the top of my page. The words enclosed in the <H1> tag just happen to be the two keyword phrase I am targeting. I was ranked in the top 20 for the phrase I enclosed in the <H1> tag after the December update. Now I have fallen down to around 50 or so.
Not sure why that would affect the page, but I am going to wait it out at least until the January update before I make any changes.
Vic
Yes, but does your actual position change? I think I've answered my own question, though, I found a keyphrase for which the rankings are different right now on www and www2. However, there is no difference between the versions of my page listed on www and www2! Weird. I think that the difference in rank is solely due to another site being dropped between the two versions of the listing.
In other words, what I'm seeing is that the positions are the same as they were before I changed my title. Indeed, I am still listed (with the old version of the page showing) for a keyword I have now removed from my title, and in the exact same position.
What it looks like is that, right at the moment, Google is showing my new page, but searching it out as if it hasn't changed, i.e., it's using the old version of the page to determine relevancy even though it shows the new page.
This is what I find strange. Can anyone clarify this behavior?
I noticed what you are talking about in December. I made changes to my page at the first of the month that were picked up by Freshbot. During the first of the month, the text matching/relevancy was not changing the SERPs for my keyword. It seemed to be based off of the version spidered in early November. Mid-month the SERPs changed to reflect the changes to my website.
Vic
Thanks for the reply. Sounds like there's some sort of delay in incorporating the fresh results into the relevancy algo. So, do you know if, when your SERPs changed, was the new version of your site preminantly indexed (seems impossible mid-month, not during the update), or was it solely due to freshbot?
So here's a theory: maybe if freshbot crawls you several times and the changes you've made are still there, only then does the relevancy algo take into account the changes. This would make sense, as it would make the results more stable over the course of the month. You make a change, and freshbot checks back to see if you really meant it before including the change in the relevancy results.
The reason I want to know is, I actually liked my old title better, but I think the new one will get me better SERPs. If the current SERPs are the actual result of the change (i.e., nada), then I'm changing it back. However, looks like I should wait a couple of weeks and see if the SERPs change before I give up on the new title.
Thanks for all the interesting discussion on this, guys. :)
Thanks for the reply. Sounds like there's some sort of delay in incorporating the fresh results into the relevancy algo. So, do you know if, when your SERPs changed, was the new version of your site preminantly indexed (seems impossible mid-month, not during the update), or was it solely due to freshbot?
I would say the SERPs changed somewhere around the 15th of December. Incidentally, the ranking for my site after the 15th ended up being right around the position I was ranked after the December update. The changes were made at the 1st of December. If you were to select "CACHE" from the Google toolbar, the old page would still show up. The Fresh copy would show up if you clicked "CACHE" from the SERPs. So, I would say it wasn't permanently indexed until the December update.
The reason I want to know is, I actually liked my old title better, but I think the new one will get me better SERPs. If the current SERPs are the actual result of the change (i.e., nada), then I'm changing it back. However, looks like I should wait a couple of weeks and see if the SERPs change before I give up on the new title.
I would say hang with it until it is included in a full update. If you just updated your page, this most likely means it will be appearing in the February update.
As I mentioned earlier, my pages just experiences a major drop with today's Fresh bot update. Not exactly sure why. I think I am going to stick with the changes and see how they fair in the February Update, though I may revert to the old pages until late January so the deep crawler can pick them up.
Vic
Seems it earned a vacatation after these busy holidays and updates ;)
My serps are the end of Nov crawl. The many freshed pages that had been in the serps since Dec 12 all disappeared late last night. No sign of 64.68 for 2 days but I was deep crawled a few days ago. Going by some of the earlier posts I'm wondering if I had server problems or if this is common at the moment. Is anyone who was regularly getting freshed in Dec experiencing the same thing?
Cheers
I've made some changes to my site's home page, and if I search Google for it using the site's name (so my site is the only important result), then the SERP shows the new content with a date of Jan 6th, and Google's cache shows the new version of the page.
But if I search for the site using a normal search term, then the SERP shows the old content with no date, and Google's cache shows the *old* page.
Confused... does the Freshbot keep a separate cache? When do Fresh results appear in the SERPs, and when the normal results?
Both these searches are on google.co.uk, btw. Not sure if that makes any difference. I'm certain that this isn't the effect of caching at my browser or ISP.
The search term I've been using is a popular one (nearly 2m results) - does Google cache SERPS for popular terms?
Andy.
