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How Fast And Accurate Are The Search Engines At listing and ranking?

         

joeking

10:27 am on Jan 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have an established website that is crawled regularly by all the major search engines and I posted a new article to it on January 14th. It contains a six word phrase which is very newsworthy and almost certainly only appears on my site in that particular order.

So how have the search engines got on at listing it and ranking it? How fast it is listed shows how up to date the SERPs are and how highly it is ranked shows how accurate the SERPs are - if you entered those six words in the correct order you would expect it to be top.

Google - found about 99 pages for this six word search. My page is ranked 31 out of them. In top spot, to give Google their due, is a similar news item that doesn't use that exact phrase but is certainly on topic. No other sites however ranking above me are on topic - most contain only one or two of the keywords.

MSN - found 4236 pages but doesn't list mine. None of the pages are relevant to my search, not even those on the first page.

Yahoo - found 24,000 pages (!) for the search term and not surprisingly nearly all are irrelevant. However right there at number one is my page.

Ask Jeeves - found 24 matching pages, none of which are relevant and the results do not include my page.

Nothing earth shattering I know, but hopefully of some interest.

Powdork

7:34 pm on Jan 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When you say MSN do you mean their regular search or the Beta? Their regular search should be the same as Yahoo.

OptiRex

7:42 pm on Jan 16, 2005 (gmt 0)



joeking

Purely out of interest how does your six word phrase rank in Google when quoted in "six word phrase"?

I assume that it will be #1 and probably the only result?

Rick_M

9:28 pm on Jan 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm also curious how similar your page is to the one that ranks #1? Could it be a very aggressive duplicate content filter that is keeping yours from ranking higher?

DerekH

10:02 pm on Jan 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm also curious how similar your page is to the one that ranks #1? Could it be a very aggressive duplicate content filter that is keeping yours from ranking higher?

I thought the duplicate content filter REMOVED a listing completely.

Simple as that.
By that token, I would have thought a *very aggressive* duplicate content filter would remove the page, phone the newspapers, photograph you in compromising circumstances, delete your files, neuter your cat, fill your car with polystyrene packing beads, give your kids unspeakable body piercings and make you impotent...

DerekH

joeking

10:08 pm on Jan 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Powdork - sorry, I should have said MSN Beta.

OptiRex - yes it is the only result returned by Google using quotes.

Rick_M - no definitely not an agressive dup content filter. The #1 spot is held by a site that has covered the same news topic, but from their own perspective. The two sites don't actually cover much of the same content generally. There is no dup content and no more than two of the six words on their page appear together in their article (all six words don't appear in it).

dazzlindonna

11:01 pm on Jan 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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DerekH, An agressive dup filter wouldn't make the resulting penalty more severe, but would cause more pages to be considered duplicates in the first place. It is the determination of what is a duplicate that makes the filter more or less aggressive - not the resulting penalty.

BigDave

11:12 pm on Jan 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No other sites however ranking above me are on topic

I always get a kick out of claims of on or off topic when discussing results that people are trying to rank on.

Most sets of words can be on topic for several different searches. Just because they were not the topicy that *yuo* were searching for does not mean that they are unrelated to those words.

Powdork

7:58 am on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I always get a kick out of claims of on or off topic when discussing results that people are trying to rank on.
I have a feeling Joe King has the ability to tell whether a result is on topic or not for a six term phrase within his niche. Even if he doesn't I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt rather than bow to the holiness of G's algo.

joeking

4:35 pm on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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BigDave - the six word phrase is very specific to a small niche and news relating to that niche.

BigDave

6:03 pm on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Well when you search on the phrase you come up. When you search on a bunch of words you don't. There is a difference.

If you are searching for [winter snow tire] you just might come up with a story about someone that got "tired" of all the "winter snow", so he moved from North Dakota to Florida. It may not ever mention driving or car parts, but it does match the search and it is on topic.

egomaniac

6:13 pm on Jan 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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For Google, the releasing a page on the 14th and looking for it on the 17th is too soon to expect it to show up in my experience.

I have a site that I occasionally add articles to.

Back in December, I linked 3 new article pages off of my master listing of articles. About 2 weeks later, the pages showed up ranking well for 2 & 3 word phrases that I semi-optimized the pages for.

My article master listing has a PR4 toolbar rating.

I think your point is that Google (and other SEs) are slow. Particularly for a newsworthy topic.