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royalelephant

8:01 pm on Dec 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My site used to have fairly good rankings before the recent updates/changes at Google. Now, the site is in the swamp of the 60s and 90s --- no more #6, top 10, or #2. I have cut anything that could be duplicate content, and cut out a few pages of affiliate-text, but if anything, it seems to me that my rankings have sunk deeper and deeper into the swamp since the new outlook at Google. Is there a comeback strategy?

Also, I've been thinking that this would be the right time to change my host, closing the old place, and opening up under a new name with much of the same content. What are the pitfalls of such a plan?

McMohan

6:12 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Unique Content+Relevant Links+Patience, should see you through. Sorry I don't have any quickfix solution to suggest.

Mc

Liane

6:50 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Also, I've been thinking that this would be the right time to change my host, closing the old place, and opening up under a new name with much of the same content. What are the pitfalls of such a plan?

Until you figure out what caused the sudden decline of your site, a new url and new name won't help much.

You need to find out which of Google's webmaster guidelines you've manged to cross and fix it. There's no easy out on this one. If you can identify the problem and fix it, you can redeem yourself soon enough.

randle

9:22 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you can identify the problem and fix it, you can redeem yourself soon enough.

Yes, this is one of the real treasures with Google, if you get tripped up you can come back almost no matter what. So step back, re-group and keep at it.

Be glad your troubles are not with Yahoo as once they tap you on the shoulder your banished for ever it seems.

tomasz

9:42 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Do nothing, just wait. I did exactly the same thing changed the host, got new domain and now I am stuck in the sand box.
be patient ..

ownerrim

9:57 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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tomasz, what do you think threw you into the sandbox? you don't think it had anything to do with changing your host do you? that wouldn't even make sense. Domain change would make more sense

royalelephant

10:43 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Until you figure out what caused the sudden decline of your site,

AH! That's the question! My little site was doing just fine from 2002 until Sept 2004. Not much had changed there, so all I could imagine as my new Google problem was duplicate content in old newsletters and a few pages of affiliate material, though they themselves never amounted to much to start with. I removed those, not knowing if they were the cause but thinking that I could live without them. But nothing's changed, and I am reluctant to do anything drastic, as I have seen Google put other sites through the wringer for a while. As Sept becomes late-December, I just wonder what else I could do.

Is there a good way to get a diagnosis as to the cause of my site's G-sickness? (Anyone, have a thread or a knowledge base that covers self-forensics?)

Many thanks to everyone,
MM

siteseo

10:54 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I assume your site has been re-spidered since you've made your changes (removed dupe content). Make sure there is no dupe content within your own site, and also that no other sites have your content on them. Then make sure you're not "linking out" to sites that have a grey PR value.
Best advice is to reduce your site to it's simplest form. Eliminate anything suspect: links to potentially dis-reputable sites, link-farm participants, or unrelated sites. If you have pages that may be similar to other pages on other sites you own (privacy policy?), add a "noindex,follow" to those pages.
Add some fresh content and link to it off your home page. Get some fresh IBL's...and then sit back and wait.
Get listed in DMOZ and Yahoo if you aren't already. Quality IBL's can sometimes offset any "bad marks" your site has.

royalelephant

11:00 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Then make sure you're not "linking out" to sites that have a grey PR value.

What is the name that "linking to gray PR sites" goes by? I link to a lot of obscure sites, as well as the better content ones, but I'm not up to snuff on the potential penalty to me for linking to them. And, what's the easiest way to "see" all my outgoing gray PR links?

Liane

11:17 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You can't afford to wait any longer. You can pretty much guarantee that if you haven't been "forgiven" in three months ... you are not going to be. There is more to it.

Read Google's guidelines... then read them again, very carefully. Go through your site, page by page starting with the authority pages first and working your way down.

Back in September, Google tweeked the keyword density algo. Check to see what your density is and if you think its too high, it probably is. The best way to tell is if a sentence sounds constructed to jam in keywords, then you have likely found the culprit.

Sentences should be constructed such that they read properly and are not keyword stuffed.

Also, check each outgoing link to make sure you aren't linking to any really questionable sites and that all links are still live.

Another thing to check for are any orphan pages. Have you left any pages on your server by mistake which are not linked to from the main site? If so ... that's a sure fire way to incur penalties.

You just have to check everything ..page by page and top to bottom making sure you stay within Google's guidelines on all pages. Starting over with a new URL and new host won't make any difference at all. Just fix your site.

Something else to check is the W3C.org to make sure your pages validate. Its not necessarily a critical thing but it helps if your pages validate.

If you have no idea where to start, there are a lot of folks here you could hire to put the site straight for you.

Good luck!

buckworks

11:26 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Caveman's "Dropped Site Checklist" might be helpful:

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Patrick Taylor

11:52 pm on Dec 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...and that all links are still live

On this specific point, it looks to me as if dead links will do no harm at all (unfortunately).

newsphinx

7:05 am on Dec 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Another thing to check for are any orphan pages. Have you left any pages on your server by mistake which are not linked to from the main site? If so ... that's a sure fire way to incur penalties.

Liane: Is there any proof to that theory?

Liane

8:30 am on Dec 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Absolutely! I am a complete jack ass when it comes to leaving orphaned pages on my site. Yachts leave the fleet and I will diligently delete all photos, yacht layouts, all links and references to the yacht pages ... and then completely forget to delete the actual page from the server.

I have left them there with no pictures or layout and the page contains copy only with no links to it. I have no idea why I keep doing this ... I can only surmise that I am either a moron or have a very strange mental block!

I have left orphaned pages on the server at least 8 times in the past 4 years and each time, I've suffered pretty major consequences.

The first time I did this was during the -20 penalties on Google. Within a couple of weeks of removing the page (and the site was respidered) ... all was forgiven.

Its just not possible that my sudden return to sunlight was a coincidence ... in each and every case. I KNOW it was orphan pages that did me in.

I now check what's on the server on a regular basis just to be certain I haven't done it again! The fleet changes often, so for me, it seems to be an easy thing to do. I truly wish I knew why I have such a mental block on this particular topic? There's just no excuse for my stupidity ... but Google hates orphans! (Rather uncharitable of them if you ask me!) ;)

If you really need to keep a page on the server for whatever reason, be sure to add the no index, no follow code before Googlebot finds your little orphan. I am so paranoid now that I don't trust the code and just take the page out completely ... that is ... provided I remember!

BTW ... Caveman's list is excellent!

newsphinx

9:38 am on Dec 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We used to keep orphaned pages on our server for a while too, in case we need to set up a new page so that Google picks up it quick. It seems Google never punishes us for leaving the poor orphan there. Although I contend Google indexs fast and my boss insists not deleting orphaned pages. I still can not figure out a reason why Google punishs a site for its orphaned pages, which you did not mention in your post. Anyone has a more persuasive theory?