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How high is good enough?

While everybody want's to be #1, is it really necessary?

         

mep00

3:01 pm on Jan 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Almost without question, we all want our pages ot be in the top slot on Google and others, but there can only be one #1. Especially with hotly contested keywords, even 1% of the traffic could mean tens of thousands of visitors per month. Futhermore, many key words have such broad appeal that it could apply to a dozen catagories, if not more. For example, musicians, chemists, and sculptors all may do a search on "base". Someone posted that Dow Chemical's Adwords were appearing on Dow Jones related sites.

So let us say that, try as you might, the best you can do is page two or three on Google for several key words or phrases; what percentage of the traffic could one reasonably expect?

SubmitRegistry

3:16 pm on Jan 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello

I cant give you the stats you are looking for, but what I will say is that if you are second or third in results and your description matches the keyword searched for then you are likely to get a large percentage of the position one visitors.

You need to sell your site if you are in search engine results. So if you are mixing it with other sites high up in the results, you need to address the text around your keywords that are being displayed in the results. I believe by addressing the relevant description showed in results you will gain a good amount of visitors especially if higher ranking sites dont address this.

Travis

P.S.It is always a nice feeling to be number one but dont drive your self to the looney bin over it.

bathheaven

5:21 pm on Jan 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have been bouncing around in the top 5 for one of my keywords. I can usually tell when I am #1 because my sells of that one specific product take a significant spike upwards. It is usually about 2-3X the number that #5 gives me.

nileshkurhade

5:33 pm on Jan 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ordinarily in my field being on the first page helps. Being on 2nd or 3rdpage is no use at all, not being on 1st page = not been ranked at all. But this I think depends on the users. My field is very professional and very high income group search - if at all they search for my key words - the real clients hardly ever clicks on page 2. So I definetly feel the usefulness of being on Top is totally dependant on the type of users you visiting your site.

for e.g. teens searching for mp3 will straight away jump to 4-5 page since they know the top 3-4 pages by heart.

quotations

6:17 pm on Jan 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As several others have already implied, it depends a lot on the search terms.

I see tens of thousands of visitors per day on some terms where the page shows up number 11 on google. On others, it will be a few thousand with number 1 placement but only a few dozen with number 4 or 5.

The best places to be in general seem to be

Number 1
Number 2
Number 10
Number 11

There are a few cases where number 11 is better than number 10 but not enough to worry about.

Pages which show up on page three do not get enough traffic from search to even count.

If you have pages that far down, you need to be getting lots of traffic from places other than search engines. Relying on google for more than about 10% of your total site traffic is highly risky.

Overall, search is about 15% of our traffic and google is about 10%.

wanna_learn

6:39 pm on Jan 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have got 3 sites targeted to same KW
Site 1 - appears #1 (42 google referals/day)

Site 2 - appears #9 (2-3 google referals/day)

Site 3 - appears #13 (0 google referals/day)....gets 2-3 referals in a month though

This travel related KW (some Hotel's name)is of very high ROI

ken_b

6:40 pm on Jan 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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#1 for what?

I have a page that is #1 out of 3.5 million results for related a 3 word search.

It's meaningless. I've never seen that string in my referer logs. It just happens to appear on one of my pages.

wanna_learn

7:02 pm on Jan 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ken_b
I am reffering to the KW which returns 1,750,000 results and have a very high ROI.

rfgdxm1

12:40 am on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>You need to sell your site if you are in search engine results. So if you are mixing it with other sites high up in the results, you need to address the text around your keywords that are being displayed in the results. I believe by addressing the relevant description showed in results you will gain a good amount of visitors especially if higher ranking sites dont address this.

Having a page title that grabs the searcher can also help. By that I mean one that makes it clear your page has what the searcher wants. And also has words that would appeal to who you are aiming at. For example, including "discount widgets" if you target the budget minded consumer, or alternatively "finest quality" if you are aiming at the market that is willing to pay more for the best.

antrat

2:21 am on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)



So let us say that, try as you might, the best you can do is page two or three on Google for several key words or phrases; what percentage of the traffic could one reasonably expect?

I would say about 5% of the traffic that page 1 would get. However, you should *never* rely on one, or only a few, pages to bring in your traffic. Any less than 100 pages in a competitive market and you will not survive long term.

BigDave

5:12 am on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd say that you should make sure that you are then #1 on some of the hundreds of keyphrases that only bring a few hits a month.

Keep expanding that type of content while working your way up on the big money keyphrases. It is also good insurance when a "florida" happens.

anallawalla

5:34 am on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Having a page title that grabs the searcher can also help.

This is very true. Being above the fold (depends on screen resolution = 5-6 in my case) is important enough, but if their titles and snippets are vague, I will scroll down.

I am found mainly through page 1 (usually 1-10) of the SERPs but on occasion I show up on page 3 of someone set up to display 100 per page.

seofreak

5:44 am on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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depending on your keyword ratio, 1st or 2nd page is good enough.

antrat

6:47 am on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)



What has the keyword ratio to do with whether page 1,2 or 3 is ok? Page 1 will send you more traffic regardless.

sit2510

6:10 am on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>> While everybody want's to be #1, is it really necessary?....Almost without question, we all want our pages ot be in the top slot on Google and others, but there can only be one #1.

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Yes, #1 spot is the best and most coveted position. If you can get there, then it is good, but to answer the question - NO, it is not really necessary. It depends more or less on the necessity as well as the balance of your time & resources.

For example, you could end up spending 80% of your time trying to push your site up to #1 for the competitive keywords, but the reality may turn out that it yields only 20% of your potential income. Perhaps it is better to divert that 80% effort for something else more productive.

jatar_k

6:16 am on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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1?

I think I would rather be 2, no one spam reports the second result, warranted or not.

antrat

6:23 am on Jan 7, 2004 (gmt 0)



Probably the only advantage to #1 over #2 is you get a few more hits from the "I'm feeling lucky button". As for spam, if you use mailto on your site you will get sucked up sooner or later.

shaadi

6:39 am on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Get a few more hits from the "I'm feeling lucky button".

How do you count that?

antrat

6:49 am on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



When you click the button it takes you direct to the number 1 result.

rfgdxm1

6:51 am on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>This is very true. Being above the fold (depends on screen resolution = 5-6 in my case) is important enough, but if their titles and snippets are vague, I will scroll down.

I have a site where the home page HTML title is "Widgets are a dangerous source of thingamajig, and can cause death!" With an actual exclamation point. Here, "widgets" is the trademark of a product a certain company makes that I want to warn the world about. Suffice it to say that anyone searching about widgets who sees that anywhere in a SERP is likely to want to click and see what the scoop is.

shaadi

10:23 am on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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When you click the button it takes you direct to the number 1 result.

antrat thanks, I didn't knew that - my question was how do you find out in the logs? how many hits you got from that button.

antrat

10:43 am on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)



Hi shaadi

Good question, unfortunately I don't know the answer :o(

shaadi

6:45 am on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am currently no.1 for a one word keyword "widget" (on Google) which is search around 13k times and has a max bid of .5X+ cents on overture. But don't know whether I am getting any refers from the search term:

widget i+am+feeling+lucky