Google not accepting Sites

Well they are but....

[modega]

I have manually submitted my site to google over the past few months to be in the search engine.

I have had no response yet.

I know that the main way that people get in is being spidered. SO I start to think....

Can I make a few dummy pages on proboards and angelfire and post nothing BUT my link in the hopes that those two sites are automatically spidered and they will then go into my real sites?

I've noticed that Proboard sites get spidered automatically and was thinking maybe this would work.

If this is considered unethical, or is infact against google TOS, let me know.

Thanks,

-modega

[Essex_boy]

Dont worry I had the same problem, what did I do?

Listed every URl on a spreadsheet then cut and pasted them into Google submit a site - listed within a week!

[Yidaki]

You can submit a 1,000 times but your site won't get listed if there's no link pointing to it from a page that is already indexed by google. Submit your site to dmoz and other directories. Work on getting good back links and your site will automatically appear at google.

[percentages]

>I've noticed that Proboard sites get spidered automatically and was thinking maybe this would work.

It will! Also do as Yidaki suggested.....the more links the merrier. Googlebot wanders around almost "aimlessly", the more links you have the more often you will get spidered and updated in the index.

I believe there are a few rules beyond the law of averages, but playing the law of averages will see you do fine ;)

[TryAgain]

>>You can submit a 1,000 times but your site won't get listed if there's no link pointing to it from a page that is already indexed by google.

What's the logic behind this. What's wrong with listing a page eventhough there are no other sites/pages linking to it?

[jimbeetle]

What's wrong with listing a page eventhough there are no other sites/pages linking to it?

Link popularity, or how many other sites link to a particular site, was introduced as a factor in search engine rankings a few years ago (Inktomi?). It plays an important part in Inktomi's and Alta Vista's algorithms, a very refined version is used by Ask/Teoma, and it's the basis for Google's underlying technology, PageRank.

It's virtually impossible to get a stand alone site into a search engine index, the feeling among SEs being if no other sites link to it there must not be much of value there.

It's still all about links. The better incorporated a site is into the Internet the better SEs look upon it.

[TryAgain]

jimbeetle,

Sure, I understand about all that.

But I'm not saying the page should be in the top ten.

Imo, I don't see why it should not be listed "somewhere" (as opposed to not at all), even if it is too far down for anybody to bother finding it.

[steveb]

That "somewhere" should usually not be in the top 1000 because Google has much less ability to judge its value if there are no links at all.

Using the addurl thingee will get your site listed eventually, or it has in the past anyway, but it will fade out right away because it has no links to it which enables them to find it again.

[Patrick Taylor]

You can submit a 1,000 times but your site won't get listed if there's no link pointing to it from a page that is already indexed by google

Not true.

[PatrickDeese]

> Imo, I don't see why it should not be listed "somewhere"

Chance are the site is in the index - try searching:

site:www.your-domain.com -ffdsd

That will show any and all pages from your site that Google has found.

[mcavic]

What's wrong with listing a page eventhough there are no other sites/pages linking to it?

You have a point - if the site's content is very unique, it can rank well even with PR0. But still, Google is all about inbound links. The very best way to get listed quickly is to find a friend with a PR6+ site, and get him to link to you for a while, meanwhile going after Yahoo and DMOZ listings.

[plumsauce]

meanwhile going after Yahoo and DMOZ listings

as dmoz is not very anxious to replenish
their roster of editors, google's dependence
on dmoz as a seed source verges on willful
blindness to all the new sites that are in
categories where there is no editor, or an
editor who has long since included all the
listings he is personally interested in, and
has gone into semi-retirement.

[mcavic]

dmoz

Agreed. I've been waiting 6 months in a category that has an editor and is "extremely backlogged". But that's a whole different conversation. :)

[Yidaki]

>>You can submit a 1,000 times but your site won't get listed if there's no link pointing to it from a page that is already indexed by google

>Not true.

You bet! To get listed at google and to STAY listed at google you'll need at least 1 link from an external page that is already indexed and listed at google. No doubt about that.

[shaadi]

Submit to ODP [dmoz.org] OR Yahoo [yahoo.com] instead. You will surely be in Google's database.

[Patrick Taylor]

>>You can submit a 1,000 times but your site won't get listed if there's no link pointing to it from a page that is already indexed by google...

Me: >Not true.

Yidaki: You bet! To get listed at google and to STAY listed at google you'll need at least 1 link from an external page that is already indexed and listed at google. No doubt about that.

Anecdotal, but I built a site for someone a while back, and as far as I know, the site has no backlinks, and yet it's been in the Google index for months. Is it a demonstrable scientific fact that no inbound links means not staying in the index?

[Yidaki]

>Is it a demonstrable scientific fact that no inbound
>links means not staying in the index?

Uhm, don't know if my experience could be called demonstrable scientific but i did this with a few of my sites for a period of a few months. I put a link to the sites, they've been listed at google - removed the link, vanished from google - put a link to it, listed again ... no doubt no other back link.

[Patrick Taylor]

Thanks for the reply. The site I was referring to remains in the index (though nowhere in SERPS), and (I believe) has no external links. That's the main reason I posted my - admittedly anectodal - comment, though I'm always curious about the science!

[zgb999]

Have you checked with Alltheweb, Altavista and other search engines whether there is really no link to that site?

Science can prove that something is there but it will never be able to give 100 % prove that something is not there... (it might only prove that one hasen't found in the places / ways one was looking for).

[Michael Anthony]

I have six highly niche sites with no links. Got them into Google by add URL, and they've been there for years. Add URL usually takes around 7-10 days to work.

This said, I don't disagree with the fact that inbound links are a definite requirement for a decent position in G, just wanted to dispel the myth that you can't get in and stay in without them.

[Patrick Taylor]

Have you checked with Alltheweb, Altavista and other search engines whether there is really no link to that site?

Good point, but would a page be Google-spidered purely by being indexed by another search engine?

[zgb999]

Google only shows backlinks of pages with PR 3, 4 or higher. If Alltheweb or Altavista found a link to a site then Google most probably found that link too.